I think you have to be careful when comparing a 130K C2S to a 70K car (i.e. 50K+ differential) and calling it the same price range.

To make the comparison in value find something comparably priced then talk about the differences in value. In reality your 70K comparison car is most likely better in comparable to a base 911 or maybe a Cayman and not a 911S.. For example comparing the value you get of a cayman to a Vette is a reasonable since they are in the same general price range.

As far as mass market vehicles.. Of course the 911's are mass market cars.. but that misses the point.. I think we all understand the difference between the high consumer volumes of a $20k Kia or Toyota and the 911 line... The point is the high volumes and fierce competition with other cars has a different dynamic that a niche sports car..

 

I need to take this ^ back
Voice Command works great
I had the Language set to English UK, because I thought the english girl sounded hotter (than the american girl).
That is why it made me spell out all adress information.
So setting language, to your own country, is the key to good voice control.
Amazing what is discovered by reading the manual

I still think the PCM needs improvement to match the price category of a Porsche.

 

Great Topic...

Heres my 2 cents


We have to remember that the 911 can be used as a daily driver and is excellent at it. We can drive it day in and day out and still take it to the track and compete with cars designed specifically for the track, however....

This car was designed to be a sports car bordering on super car territory. All the additional options aren't standard because they aren't supposed to be part of the car. They are offered to make customers happy (and for profit of course).

Just because its so good at seeming like a GT doesn't mean we forget that when we walked into that showroom we bought a sports car, not a panamera.

So far i haven't come across a more practical high end sports car that could compete with what the 911 offers.

Consider what the lotus customers are saying on their forum.

 

Lotus has a COMPLETELY different philosophy than just about every other sports car constructor, which is relatively minimalist (though not as extreme as KTM or Ariel, etc...). The 911, historically, has been quite the sports car. Of course, this has changed over the past few years. Some here have complained about the 'watering down' of the brand, others have complained the 911 has becoming bulky, too Grand-Touring-ish. If we look back at the 993, how would we have justified the cost of those 911's? They were fun - that's it. That is when I really began enjoying the 911 (and Porsche in general). To me, the 996 was a COMPLETELY different car, and the bar was changed. It ushered a new philosophy that (as noted above) catered to the market that fostered profits.

There are choices all across this segment. I've jumped on board with the OP's perspective, as this segment offers (what I think) items that should be standard - almost designated safety features (bluetooth, GPS, etc...). If people could keep their hands on the wheel, and didn't try to cut across 5 lanes to get to their left turn from the right lane, the streets might be a tad safer. I realize that this does not change people, but rather enables behaviors and traits that are already learned/practiced. Those are just a few things...

There is almost no cost involved to add some of the features that Porsche offers - material of seats? Why is it extra to change the material? Is it because somewhere in the factory that originally assembles these, there is a person that will put on the wrong one, take it off, and then replace it with another? Colors of the seat belt? When I order carpet from a store, they don't charge more for a different color, it is still the same material, and requires the identical process of installation.

I am waiting until certain things become standard, until I'm back in a 911 (personally). I think that when the Ford Focus, Mustang GT, Shelby GT500, etc... offered that 'Sync' system, it really changed my attitude towards what should come standard. I mean, if Ford can do this for relative pennies, then why should everyone else pay a lot more?

 

Maybe the 2012 McLaren 12c? I think there is everyday potential there. Minimal maintenance. Frunk is deeper than 991. 30mpg on normal.

Hopefully it'll depreciate quite a bit more by 2015 . Prices are around 170-180k right now.

Then put the Revozport front bumper on there and call it a day.

 

40K More for a Porsche? wow! i am amazed at this one. Here in the usa if you can get a 458 for less than 300k you are lucky. While the Porsche turbo s tops out at 200k.

 

Yes I know... Here, Ferrari is cheaper than surrounding countries, while porsche is more expensive than surrounding countries. Strange pricing strategy from Porsche. Even a McLaren 650S is only $5k or so more expensive than a 991 TTS...

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+1 on that one! I was looking at those (spider) too.

 

Is there a reason for the price disparity? Tariffs on German products etc? Good to hear from you, what is summer like in Switzerland?

 

I guess it all depends on the market...

But an additional $5k for a 650S? Kind of makes it easy on some...

 

Still waiting for the real summer here

I think it is just arrogance from Porsche. Or they just forgot to adjust their prices to the exchange rates between Euro and Swiss Francs. I don't know. Regarding the McLaren.... I wouldn't want one, even if it was 100k cheaper. Not really my cup of tea.


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OK, here's the invoice for Steve McQueen's 1970 911. Check the base price and prorate the cost of options to today's price of a base 911. Options listed on the invoice would often be offered as standard or much lower price on US cars of that time (air conditioning was a $380 option on a Mustang... and a base Mustang only cost $1,000 more than the air conditioning option on the 911!!)



Nothing has changed. So can we please stop whining and move on...

 

You own a 2007 Porsche! Unless you bought it new it was a used car and depending on when you bought it most of the depreciation had already occurred. Smart move. That's the way to buy high priced cars.

 

I think you should include Lexus drivers, especially the ones in the little SUV. Totally isolated in their little cocoons, they have no idea what's going on around them. Not necessarily a-holes, but just oblivious to things like traffic, those painted lines on the ground, different colored lights, etc.

As for the OP... well, he's just being cranky.

 

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Super cool... The Blaupunkt was $525. I'm guessing everyone back then hated it just like they complain about BOSE.. lol.

For some reason It is a lot more expensive that I thought it would be. $32K in 1970.. Wow..