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New 911 Carrera vs Used 911? What is the best choice?

Hey everybody, not exactly sure where to put this... This subforum seemed the best... so:


I've always wanted a porsche. So I've put things into motion to make it possible for me to buy a high performance sports car before I get too old. And I don't want anything less than a 911.

Currently my budget is around 80-100k. For that much I'm looking at Carreras.

Personally I'd rather have a Turbo over a Carrera (I mean.. who wouldn't...) but doing that MSRP would be extremely foolish for me financially.

I was talking to my friend and he suggested I get a 911 Turbo or Turbo S second hand. I looked into it and WOW, I never knew that the prices would so so much less than their MSRP. I'm seeing a 2011 Turbo S 50k miles for 85k. And another 2012 Turbo S 40k miles for 99k. 2011 Turbo S 14k Miles for like 110k. And the regular Turbos are even less.... All within my budget. I'm thinking if I can get a nice and clean Turbo or Turbo S for the same price of a Carrera... Why the hell not?


So what I come here seeking is advice... If you guys were in my situation, seeking a 911 with the same budget... What would you do?
 
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Look at the new body style. The 991.

2012.5-2013 model years

You can find a pre owned great Carrera S for 90-100K

You can't touch the new Turbo in your price range.
 
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Look at the new body style. The 991.

2012.5-2013 model years

You can find a pre owned great Carrera S for 90-100K

You can't touch the new Turbo in your price range.
He gave a few examples of turbos in his price range. Confused by this statement.
 
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What is so good about the new body 991? I compared the 2011/2012 Turbo s with the 2014 Turbo s and the performance is only marginally better. Is there something that I'm not seeing? 80k off the car is a great deal...


I can get a new Carrera S for 99k anyways, why would I get preowned?
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel47 View Post
What is so good about the new body 991? I compared the 2011/2012 Turbo s with the 2014 Turbo s and the performance is only marginally better. Is there something that I'm not seeing? 80k off the car is a great deal... I can get a new Carrera S for 99k anyways, why would I get preowned?

You did ask what "you guys" would do. If you know what you want, go for it. I'd take a 991S over a 997 Turbo personally.

Not sure why you're on the 991 forum anyway.

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I am a big believer in used cars with min miles. The 997 turbo s is a super car. The new 911 is also super. I would drive both and see which one you like best. If you want speed and are willing to give up the "newest model" than the turbo is for you. I bought the 991 cab. I love it. Especially now (perfect weather today).
 
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Originally Posted by STG958 View Post
You did ask what "you guys" would do. If you know what you want, go for it. I'd take a 991S over a 997 Turbo personally.

Not sure why you're on the 991 forum anyway.

No further comments here.
If you wana be helpful you could try saying why a 991 is so superior over a 997, or atleast explain the things you said with reasoning..

Of course I don't know what I want, thats why I'm here asking.

And in the OP I said I'm not sure where to post this, thats why I'm in the 991 forum. Did you even read it?
 
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I am a big believer in used cars with min miles. The 997 turbo s is a super car. The new 911 is also super. I would drive both and see which one you like best. If you want speed and are willing to give up the "newest model" than the turbo is for you. I bought the 991 cab. I love it. Especially now (perfect weather today).
Yeah I would eventually have to drive em, are there any real differences between the 991 and the 997 that could be deal breakers? Or are they pretty much the same thing in the things that matter?

Thanks.
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel47 View Post
Yeah I would eventually have to drive em, are there any real differences between the 991 and the 997 that could be deal breakers? Or are they pretty much the same thing in the things that matter? Thanks.
There's a lot of independent reading available online that can educate you on the differences between the huge changes between the 991 and previous generations.

Doing some research on your own would go a long way. Sometimes you need to do some homework!

Good luck.
 
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Originally Posted by Diesel47 View Post
Hey everybody, not exactly sure where to put this... This subforum seemed the best... so:


I've always wanted a porsche. So I've put things into motion to make it possible for me to buy a high performance sports car before I get too old. And I don't want anything less than a 911.

Currently my budget is around 80-100k. For that much I'm looking at Carreras.

Personally I'd rather have a Turbo over a Carrera (I mean.. who wouldn't...) but doing that MSRP would be extremely foolish for me financially.

I was talking to my friend and he suggested I get a 911 Turbo or Turbo S second hand. I looked into it and WOW, I never knew that the prices would so so much less than their MSRP. I'm seeing a 2011 Turbo S 50k miles for 85k. And another 2012 Turbo S 40k miles for 99k. 2011 Turbo S 14k Miles for like 110k. And the regular Turbos are even less.... All within my budget. I'm thinking if I can get a nice and clean Turbo or Turbo S for the same price of a Carrera... Why the hell not?


So what I come here seeking is advice... If you guys were in my situation, seeking a 911 with the same budget... What would you do?
A new base 911 is a fantastic car . It has all the technology and 4 years of warranty . The used Turbo if it's PDK will have the first generation PDK and it wil cost more than 85K if looking for low miles and CPO . The 997.2 Turbo does not need to be modified .
A 997.1 Turbo with a manual gearbox would take at least 10 grand to modify and in stock form it needs more . The good part is that the Gt1 dry sump engine in the 997.1 takes mods very well but the bad part is that the car is 6 or 7 years old so finding one in good shape is tough .

If its a first Porsche I would pick a new one and a base 911 at about 95 grand is a great first 911 . it wil have 4 years of warranty and introduce you to the model gradually .
 
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Originally Posted by yrralis1 View Post
A new base 911 is a fantastic car . It has all the technology and 4 years of warranty . The used Turbo if it's PDK will have the first generation PDK and it wil cost more than 85K if looking for low miles and CPO . The 997.2 Turbo does not need to be modified .
A 997.1 Turbo with a manual gearbox would take at least 10 grand to modify and in stock form it needs more . The good part is that the Gt1 dry sump engine in the 997.1 takes mods very well but the bad part is that the car is 6 or 7 years old so finding one in good shape is tough .

If its a first Porsche I would pick a new one and a base 911 at about 95 grand is a great first 911 . it wil have 4 years of warranty and introduce you to the model gradually .
Thank you for this post, it is exactly what I am looking for.

What do you mean exactly with a manual gearbox taking 10 grand to modify? Is it subpar? Or do you mean it will be worn out?
 

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Thank you for this post, it is exactly what I am looking for.

What do you mean exactly with a manual gearbox taking 10 grand to modify? Is it subpar? Or do you mean it will be worn out?
1) The 997.1 Turbo (2007-2009) is a fantastic car . It has the Gt1 engine which was retained even in the Gt2RS despite the integrated engine found in the 997.2 Turbo (2010-2012) . In the 997.1 the stock car had some turbo lag. The suspension was a bit squishy . The PCM was old school with CD's and no sat radio .

In my 2007 car (which i still own and cherish) I found the that just a software flash and a good performance exhaust improved the engine note and reduced the lag . I went much futher though and upgraded the intercoolers , modified the turbos . got noselift coilovers , aerokit , upgraed clutch.. and much more .

To do all of this costs a fortune and buying a stock car now to do it is 7 years late to the 997 Turbo party . Findinga used one means hoping that for 7 years the person took care of the car and the maintenace costs are huge even if he did .

2) The 997.2 Turbo is wonderful bone stock . porsche must have listened to the 997.1 owners because the wheels are nicer and the car added PDK which gave shift efficiency. The only problem is that it has a dated PDK version so driving it is more jerky and less precise as the 991 . It also lost the GT1 engine to accomodate the PDK . The Gt1 engine was a 16 year dry sump benchmark. The PCM is moden though and it has things like sat radio and phone acess .

Both cars have enormous torque.

3) The base 911 is an entry level 911 . A Turbo S is 90 grand more so the price gap is huge. There are a gazillion combinations of cars and options between them . It has all the modern technology, 4 year warranty and is a great first 911 . Ideally I would pick the Carerra S but it costs more .

I truly feel a base 911 with a manual gearbox is simple ,elegant , and a great first step into a Porsche . I love the torque of my 911 Turbo so much that i did not buy a 991 but I have taken care of my car extensively for 7 years and i bought it new . if i saw a used 7 year old porsche its an entirely different equation especially for a first time porsche shopper .
 

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As your first Porsche, your first 911, your first sportscar ...
get the 991 C2 with PDK. PLENTY of car to get your feet wet in !
Drive that for a few years, see how you like it. If you do want more power you can still start to look into upgrading to a 991 Turbo if you like the Porsche 911 experience. They should have come down in price by then.
 
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As your first Porsche, your first 911, your first sportscar ...
get the 991 C2 with PDK. PLENTY of car to get your feet wet in !
Drive that for a few years, see how you like it. If you do want more power you can still start to look into upgrading to a 991 Turbo if you like the Porsche 911 experience. They should have come down in price by then.
Strongly disagree with this. If C2 was my first Porsche experience I would never have bought a Porsche. The C2 is underpowered. You have to drive it full throttle all the time. Totally lacks excitement. C2S is the right one to buy first.
 
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Here is a brand new C2S for 99k. 20% off MSRP. Great deal.

http://www.performanceporsche.com/ne...509a2a0b21.htm
 

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