Dude you ok? Sugar buzz from trick or treating? Fabspeed over AWE??? Europipe, Not impressed? Drink lots of water and revisit this thread in the morning.

 

threads like this make me happy to personally know the guy who sold me the material for my exhaust, and the guy who welded it together...

 

Dear Sir:

Can you please understand and figure out that China and Taiwan are not the same country? Taiwan is an independent nation from China sort of llik former east/west Germany or north/south Korea. Taiwan has GDP per capita/yr > US$ 20000 while Chian has income per capita < US$ 5000/yr. China is a totalitarian country but Taiwan is a democratic state.
Most of your favorite electric products are made or assembled in Taiwan such as i Phone/i Pad/ i Pod. Plase do not confuse Taiwan over China anymore. Thank you very much!

 

How about an episode of Man vs Food.

 

europipe is one of the best exhaust you can get. you'll pay for it however.. i have had those lower priced exhaust and now have a BBI. it's up there with a EP.. for the money i spent this thing will last for ever, and its warranty last for the same amount of time.. markski has one that's up there too, for a fraction of the price i paid. i hate the comment, but its true. you get what you p-- f--!!! fabspeed over a europipe. go through the for sale section and see how many ep's are for sale VS fabspeed.. this form is a great learning and $ saving tool... good luck..

 

Dude you ok? Sugar buzz from trick or treating? Fabspeed over AWE??? Europipe, Not impressed? Drink lots of water and revisit this thread in the morning.
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MIT is good!

 

It doesn't say that on their site. Lol, you just won't stop. This needs to be closed.

 

Here we go again, hey Tim, woke up this am and saw your post, funny..... Not. Again, go and search or take a poll and you will see that most of the owners on this forum and other Porsche forums are running AWE or Fabspeed exhaust. That's the two most installed followed by other companies. Now I ask you this, look at a AWE exhaust and see how many welds it takes to fabricate one. Now look at Fabspeed exhaust and see that there is a lot less welds and there pipes bent in to shape versus weld, that is why I went to Fabspeed over AWE on this one. Also, since you live in NYC, do yourself a favor and swing down to PA and visit there shop, they are more than happy to show you all the other brands that have shown up at there shop that they have taken off due to bad welds or poor materials or just **** overseas SS. And as far as trick or treating last night, I was in the OR fixing bones all day and night well hydrated with h2o, lol!!

 

It's says in the thread in which they are selling the 430 headers which you have read yourself.

 

I owned a shop and know all about what goes on.. Look at all the high end HKS piping... They do not bend anything.. It is segmented pipe welded to make the bends. The real fact is fabspeed is cheaper and made a name back in the 930 days with a all stianless heater box header, BTW look into Billy Boat. They also advertise everywhere! The biggest single reason is that most Porsche owner's are CHEAP people and fabspeed looks good. All shiny and little welding.. How about I throw this out there and really get this thread locked... Fabspeed made EVOMS exhausts, except for the gt headers. Then EVOMS went to MILTEK I do not know what they use now or care too.. The real fact is there is a lot of info showing fabspeed importing items so its not made here in the good old USA.

 

EVOMS still sells Fabspeed exhausts, AFAIK. And Fabspeed is a dealer for EVOMS performance packages and EVOMSit software. Seems to be a mutually beneficial relationship. They also are a dealer for Protomotive for the older air-cooled vehicles' tuning needs.

I've been to Fabspeed's shop, numerous times (at least, the old one). The downstairs had multiple lifts/bays, along with work areas where they were doing in-house welding and fabrication. They even have a dedicated enclosed space and wheel for doing metal polishing work. I've seen it with my own eyes.

I'm not 100% on this, but here's my educated guess: Fabspeed creates and designs most if not all of their own products. For some products, they might then outsource the replication of their design to an overseas build-house - or for others, they may be simply sourcing a product and branding it as their own (their "Valvetronic" exhausts look suspicously like other brands' similar offerings that all come out of Asia, for example). For other products, they probably handle the entire process, including fabrication/production, in-house.

They have an affiliated company, Fabspeed Precision Contract Manufacturing & Design, and a recent twitter post was notifying that they (Fabspeed) just took delivery of a Unison Breeze 76mm CNC Mandrel Bender. Would you invest in this piece of equipment if you weren't doing any in-house fabrication?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8uD35VqxYA

So, my guess is that it's mixed, and depends on product.

 

Regardless if it is mixed or all manufactured in Taiwan or USA...Fabspeed needs to cleary identify where their products are made, which I believe is the underlying issue here. To some, it doesn't matter...to others, it means a lot. If Fabspeed was making the same product, but some were offshore and some where in-house, you can bet there will be an impact to used pricing later. People (cheap or not) are very picky about where their things are made (food, clothes, cars). You cannot just make a blanket statement that all items are made in the USA when some aren't.

To me, it doesn't matter so much as long as there is proper R&D and QC. However, don't cheapen production and continue to charge me a premium. Would I buy Fabspeed, AWE, or Agency Power products? Most likely yes until the company fails customer support and work ethics. In this case, label and disclose your products...otherwise, people will just assume all of your products are Taiwanese made. Nothing really wrong if all things are equal...but most of the time, they aren't.

 

I was simply generalizing but you sifted through this entire thread to point this out? I know the difference geographically but in essence, it's all the same... offshore cheap-labor manufacturing. I'm not a fan of it so I spoke out... especially, if the manufacturer is misleading customers.

I realize that these days, most any and everything is made abroad (generally in China) and again, I don't like the trend. Kindly take your Google'd GDP figures and focus on typing / spelling correctly.
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I understand that the issue/point here is... may involve "false advertising". Fadspeed needs to step up and correct that if it is no longer true. I have Fadspeed and I'm in the "don't care who made them" category as long as it is a quality product.

I used to be an anti-China-made person but I found myself shifting. Many people still think that China only makes copy-cat cheap quality products but that is no longer true. I have been purchasing quality products from China; they were as pricy as US products but the quality may surpass.

For those that think US made products are better quality than China made, in general, still yes; but the world is changing. I did try to show some loyalty by buying a US made car (I'm sure many parts weren't, but they still called it US made)... bad mistake.