I guess I forgot the letters "t" and "e" when I wrote that!!!

Latest.........get it??!!

 

Ken,

Aren't those Motons the Club Sport model or the two way adjustables?

 

Chad,
They are the Moton Club Sports. They are two-way adjustable. Compression damping is done on the canister and rebound damping is down on the top of the damper body.

 

Ken,

I know the difference between what you did and what you had is like night and day. Trouble is, if someone doesn't experience it, there is no way you will be able to explain it to them.

 

OH MAN!!! CHAD THAT IS THE STATEMENT OF THE YEAR!!! I COULD NOT AGREE MORE!!!!!!!!!

It is as if I now see the light!!

 

GREAT work Ken. I really appreciate the dedication to solving your problem.
Questions: What setting are you using for the rear sway bar? Why didn't you think that a front adjustable sway bar was also beneficial? What are the approx. stock spring rates?
Thanx.

 

Stop it! Do you really want me to change my suspension for the THIRD time????

Damn you Ken! Keep this stuff to yourself lol...

 

David,
I am actually running the stock sway bars right now. I have the rear GT3 sway bar ready to go. I am awaiting the delivery of the bushings for the rear sway bar, the front GT3 bar and the front bar bushings from Porsche Motorsport.
I believe the stock front spring rate is 175 pounds/inch. I am not 100% sure about that though.

 

In a word......YES!

Everybody chant.....

Go Sharkster
Go Sharkster
Go Sharkster
Go Sharkster
Go Sharkster
Go Sharkster
Go Sharkster
Go Sharkster

 

Ah crap... dammit... Top Raemen again for two months That means no Sushi...

 

Sharky,

What are your dampening settings set to on your JIC's and have you tried higher and lower numbers?

And they say 15 way but they are actually 18 way adjustable

 

I went three from the end on the rear and four on the front (stiff that is).

18 way? Hmm, I though they were fifteen but I haven't gone that far so I'll check....

 

Great Post like always!!

 

As far as shocks and springs go it’s very difficult to explain, however, I can set up a Bilstein with roughly the same valving for a specific speed (x amount of inches per second) to mimic the same valving at the same speed as a JRZ/Moton and the dyno sheet will even look very similar but, when you drive the car with equal springs they will feel and perform entirely differently. This is due to the fact that shocks need to operate in a very wide range rather than a fixed speed as a dyno test them. The internal design of a JRZ/Moton is vastly different from a Bilstein and the range of the JRZ/Moton is huge in comparison. What all this means is if you were to put stiffer springs on the PSS9’s as some have suggested, they could and likely would worsen the ride and over all handling rather than better it. This is because they just aren’t capable of damping the higher rates at multiple speeds. This stands for stock shocks as well as Sears Ready Riders. I’m not trying to flame any of those shocks, just pointing out they are different animals. If you ask Ken he will likely tell you that even though he went to heavier springs there may be less body roll but the ride quality is very similar to the Pss9’s with the lighter springs. This is because they are able to control the spring rather than the spring controlling the shock or Damper. For those that don’t want to spend the money, look at the JRZ Single adjustable that have one adjuster that controls both Rebound and compression, the same as the JIC’s but will give you very close to the same performance enhancements as the Motons did for Ken. Next month JRZ will have their Double adjustable NON-CANISTER shock available for those that don’t want the canisters on their street cars. They will also have the piggy back canister shocks later this summer where the canister is integrated into the shock itself.

Currently I have the Single adjustable on my own car and I have a set of 4 way adjustable sitting on the floor. I haven’t installed them yet because the singles work so well it just hasn’t seemed worth going to the effort to install them. The reality is, unless I do some serious testing on a track, I won’t notice much difference ripping around on the streets. As I told a couple people in the past, I have given 8 people rides that “HAD” PSS9’s on their car’s and after the ride every one of them now have JRZ’s on their cars and tell the same feeling Ken has been explaining. Without a doubt the hottest thing on the market today for the money is the Single adjustable JRZ’s and they are very close to the same money as the PSS9’s so it just amazes me people are still buying so many PSS9’s….I think they call it marketing . I think one of the problems on the board is, whenever the name JRZ comes up people only think about the “full blown triple adjustable racing shocks” that Chad has on his car and are blind to the fact that JRZ makes a lot of different shocks. I’ve even seen Excellence make that same assumption. Ok Ok… no more plugging; all I can say is think JRZ or Moton…. And I’m really not trying to plug those shocks I just don’t understand why they are still the best kept secret in so many circles. If you look, you’ll find they’ll have one to fit your budget and the results will be mind blowing.

 

cary, now your making me think about the jrz's too lol

do u have a no. that i can call to talk suspension with, i am not as proficient as ken regarding engineering etc, but i am willing to listen and try to understand the benefits of teh diff. suspension..

i think i am ruling out the bilstein.. now i will look at the JIC's and the jrz's i was wondering if i can give u a call regarding the 2 suspensions..

what is ur no.?

Oh yeah by the way I do not have a turbo i got an 02 996 C2 does jrz make a coilover set for my car?