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what's the advantage or disadvantage from different turbo?
Hi,
I need some help to clear something up. Hoping someone will kindly enough to tell me the truth. I am considering my next step for upgrate. K16/24's is my recent set up from one of the board sponser. As far as I know, there are at least 3 different K16/24 turbo manufacturers. Is someone better than the others? What's the different between them? If I want to go further, what's my better option? K24/26? K24/18g or Garrette turbos? What's the benefite I can expect from different turbos? Which one get the longer duration of working time? Which one scoop faster? Which one get the better top speed? Is there any different degree of turbo lag with different turbos or even with different manufacturers? I am sorry for asking numerous questions. I am now living in Taiwan and I don't have the chace to meet different cars with different set up like you guys did. All I can do is trying to get helps from here before I waste my money again. Any suggestion will be sincerely appreciated! Best regards Chenshan |
im assuming that you mean turbos lol correct ? picking a set up is all up to you .meaning what your looking for, and how you intend to use the car , there are alot good setups on here from tuners , like Protomotive , EVO, umw , IA , honestly you really cant go wrong with any of them.
a step up from the turbos you listed would garret GT's .as for longevity of the turbo again that depends on you realy . oh asnd yes there is different degree of lag with different setups , hope that helps some. |
Originally Posted by unvmym3
(Post 1664601)
im assuming that you mean turbos lol correct ? picking a set up is all up to you .meaning what your looking for, and how you intend to use the car , there are alot good setups on here from tuners , like Protomotive , EVO, umw , IA , honestly you really cant go wrong with any of them.
a step up from the turbos you listed would garret GT's .as for longevity of the turbo again that depends on you realy . oh asnd yes there is different degree of lag with different setups , hope that helps some. If with the same set up, I mean IC, DV, exhaust......etc, only differ from turbo itself. what 's the different? |
im not sure i tottaly understand your question , do you mean if u just change teh turbos on leave everything else stock?
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sorry for confusing you! I already upgrade quite lot of things with my current K16/24 set up. I need to decide bigger turbo for my next step. There is no capable turner here in Taiwan , I have to make decision by myself.
If with a sorrect setup capable for no matter 24/26, 24/18 or GT, who is the winner for example 100-200 and why? |
Originally Posted by unvmym3
(Post 1664601)
a step up from the turbos you listed would garret GT's .
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Originally Posted by chenshan
(Post 1664685)
According to your statement, GT's are better than 24/26 or 24/18g? Why FVD didn't use them?
It all depends on what you want to achieve with the car, do you drag/track and all that. If you eventually want a 700+ monster then GT28 is the way to go. Otherwise I think K24/18g with fuel upgrade can get you to 600. It all depends on where you want to get. |
Originally Posted by chenshan
(Post 1664685)
According to your statement, GT's are better than 24/26 or 24/18g? Why FVD didn't use them?
I had 4 tuning kits and some you mentioned already... leave alone what you have and enjoy it... trust me. The only way u will feel the HUGE power increase ur looking for is by going to a 700 hp set up.. and that may cost you another $17K to $20K . and its not worth it... u will have to throw away everything u have except dvs and exhaust... and start from scratch... is it really worth it? for another 100 hp? markski |
Originally Posted by 996Choy
(Post 1664707)
chenshan, consider calling up some of the tuners in US and get some ideas from them. I am located in Japan but tuners in the States (Dan from Vivid in particular) have been very helpful.
It all depends on what you want to achieve with the car, do you drag/track and all that. If you eventually want a 700+ monster then GT28 is the way to go. Otherwise I think K24/18g with fuel upgrade can get you to 600. It all depends on where you want to get. I have a 01 996tt with a reinforced torque converter, I must say I can not go further than 700. I have been told that every turner here is great but it still bother me why they use different kind of turbos. I am still curious about how the different type of turbos can do, for example 24/26 vs 24/18g. I want to know deeper before I decide. I won't hear the very truth from each turner cause they all already got the best. |
Originally Posted by MARKSKI
(Post 1664734)
different tuners use different turbos. u cant just go from k1/24s and change the turbos and expect the car to run fine.
I had 4 tuning kits and some you mentioned already... leave alone what you have and enjoy it... trust me. The only way u will feel the HUGE power increase ur looking for is by going to a 700 hp set up.. and that may cost you another $17K to $20K . and its not worth it... u will have to throw away everything u have except dvs and exhaust... and start from scratch... is it really worth it? for another 100 hp? markski I saw two turbos before, K16/24 from one turner and K24/18g from another. I was surprise about how different they are. Besides the size of turbine housing, K24/18 got a cut-back and most imporant, 24/18g can rotate much more easier than 16/24 can. The central section of my 16/24 is so tight which can hardly rotate by hand. I am not saying the 16/24's are no good cause with this one I have, I can run 0-100 in 3.8 sec, 100-200 in 7.4sec, 200-300 in 23sec and 337 km/h top speed(TTi). It's a very good one but I want to go further and do it only for fun. I can get all the fun I want by modifying cars. I don't want to just put on a setup and pay my money then end of the story. I want to know deeper about why I pay this part for and what is the different this particular part can make. I know with a bigger turbo I need different ECU and different setup. It will cost me more to change from 16/24 to 24/18 or GT. I just want to make some home work before wasting money. |
Chenshan,
What is more important sometimes is the tuning and the support you get afterwards... can the tuner fine tune your ecu? most probably not. Im not pushing one or the other... but in retrospect I would do anything to have a tuner that can actually fine tune my ecu based on some datalog I send him... |
Mark, I see your point. I will find a fine turner in the end but before that, I just want to know more about turbos so I can make a "better" decision. Can you tell me what is the advantage or disadvantage of 24/26, 24/18g or GT?
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Originally Posted by chenshan
(Post 1666103)
Mark, I see your point. I will find a fine turner in the end but before that, I just want to know more about turbos so I can make a "better" decision. Can you tell me what is the advantage or disadvantage of 24/26, 24/18g or GT?
K24/18gs is a Protomotive turbo hybrid.. but more simply a K24 housing with a 18G mitsubishi compressor. it dies at 610 rwhp. I drove it and was impressed and even more on a full k24/18G set up. One can also stuff a 20g compressor in the K24 housing... but you will need extra fuel, injectors, Intercoolers etc... they produce an extra 40 rwhp over 18gs at the same boost. Both are direct replacements. The GTs are Garrett turbos and are not direct replacements.... The hot side does not match up so a lot of custom work including headers need to be made... You have many GT series turbos available... gt28s, gt30s, gt35. all still with different hot sides.. smaller and bigger... .63 vs .82 for example... a k16/24 is like a K24 a K24/18g is like a gt28 but the Gt28 spools faster. However I have been told that the Gt28s that re in KKK housings fall off faster then the K24/18gs. a K24/20g is almost as strong as a gt30r ... very close. but the GT probably will spool a little faster as well. this gets complicated because there are also Gt28s in KKK housing and GT30s in KK housings... all are usually proprietary and you can't buy them with the whole tuning kit... Most GT turbos require water cooling... not standard on the KKKs nor required. Recently Evoms released a GT660 hp kit with nice turbos as well as vivid who has some nifty flanges that bolt up..... both have advantages and disadvantages... We can talk about this to death.... and you will get more confused then u were b4 u read this... what do u want ur car to do.. what kind of driving u want to do... what is lacking currently on ur set up.... how much faster u want to get? then I will tell u what sets up will perform to your specs... For you to go from a k16/24 with all the goodies you have you may need a turbo set up that will produce at least 100 hp more.... unfortunately neither the K24/18g nor the gt28( both without a $20+K build out) will not do it. So unless your ready to throw away the turbos & ecu etc....... and spend lets say $20 to $25K on a full 700 Hp set up yo will only waste ur money because the added performance is still limited your fuel supply and the overall efficiency of your system( intercoolers, piping, intakes, throttle bodies, etc). |
Wow! thank you so much about this. I really have to think about what you say. It's a Chinese new year now, wish you all the best!
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
(Post 1666398)
K24/26s I think are used by FVD in the stage 4. No one else in the US uses them to my knowledge.
K24/18gs is a Protomotive turbo hybrid.. but more simply a K24 housing with a 18G mitsubishi compressor. it dies at 610 rwhp. I drove it and was impressed and even more on a full k24/18G set up. One can also stuff a 20g compressor in the K24 housing... but you will need extra fuel, injectors, Intercoolers etc... they produce an extra 40 rwhp over 18gs at the same boost. Both are direct replacements. The GTs are Garrett turbos and are not direct replacements.... The hot side does not match up so a lot of custom work including headers need to be made... You have many GT series turbos available... gt28s, gt30s, gt35. all still with different hot sides.. smaller and bigger... .63 vs .82 for example... a k16/24 is like a K24 a K24/18g is like a gt28 but the Gt28 spools faster. However I have been told that the Gt28s that re in KKK housings fall off faster then the K24/18gs. a K24/20g is almost as strong as a gt30r ... very close. but the GT probably will spool a little faster as well. this gets complicated because there are also Gt28s in KKK housing and GT30s in KK housings... all are usually proprietary and you can't buy them with the whole tuning kit... Most GT turbos require water cooling... not standard on the KKKs nor required. Recently Evoms released a GT660 hp kit with nice turbos as well as vivid who has some nifty flanges that bolt up..... both have advantages and disadvantages... We can talk about this to death.... and you will get more confused then u were b4 u read this... what do u want ur car to do.. what kind of driving u want to do... what is lacking currently on ur set up.... how much faster u want to get? then I will tell u what sets up will perform to your specs... For you to go from a k16/24 with all the goodies you have you may need a turbo set up that will produce at least 100 hp more.... unfortunately neither the K24/18g nor the gt28( both without a $20+K build out) will not do it. So unless your ready to throw away the turbos & ecu etc....... and spend lets say $20 to $25K on a full 700 Hp set up yo will only waste ur money because the added performance is still limited your fuel supply and the overall efficiency of your system( intercoolers, piping, intakes, throttle bodies, etc). OEM Fuel Injectors OEM Fuel Pressure Reg Pump Gas Europipe II Loud Stock Intercoolers or buy used X50's Forge DV's And want to update and replace the following: ECU Flash of some kind??? Turbos Turbo Waste Gate Actuators Air Filter Intake Hoses What would you recommend and what kind of HP could I hope to obtain? Thanks, |
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