PSS9 and PSS10 - spring rates & valving figures from Bilstein
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I found a lot of misinformation on these coilvers, so after numerous calls to Bilstein, I finally got the correct figures from them for all the 996 AWD PSSx coilovers. Here they are:
PART NUMBERS: PSS9: C2 - F4-GM5-8846-H0 C4/(C4S) - F4-GM5-8848-H0 Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-8877-H0 (Some builds will be H1) PSS10: Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-D536-H0 SPRING RATES: 8848/8877/D536: f: 260 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender -- r :515 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender Initial combined rates w/o static sag: f: 93 lbs/in -- r: 113 lbs/in Final rates before main coils close: f: 260 lbs/in -- r: 515 lbs/in VALVING: (max force) 8848 (PSS9): 9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed Rebound (in N): f: 9=1465, 1=2050 -- r: 9=2150, 1=2820 Compression (in N): f: 9=935, 1/1=1410 -- r: 9=1310, 1=1530 -- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving: f: 350 lbs/in main -- r: 650 lbs/in main (6.3kg/mm -- 11.6kg/mm) 8877 (PSS9): 9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed Rebound (in N): f: 9=1700, 1=2775 -- r: 9=2270, 1=3060 Compression (in N): f: 9=1050, 1=1695 -- r: 9=1420, 1=1800 -- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving: f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm) D536 (PSS10): 1 = soft/adjuster open, 10 == hard/adjuster closed Rebound (in N): f: 1=1700, 10=2775 -- r: 1=2270, 10=3060 Compression (in N): f: 1=1050, 10=1695 -- r: 1=1420, 10=1800 -- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving: f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm) Bilstein will revalve each strut for $125. It would be interesting to compare valving data and spring rates for other shock models too, if anyone has that data. Instructions: gm5-8848_C4 Manual gm5-8877_Turbo Manual Images: 1) (left) front turbo, (right) front C4 2) (left) rear turbo, (right) rear C4 |
I would just add that: pss10 the higher the adjustment number the "harder"
pss9 the higher the adjustment number the "softer" |
Thanks, I updated the post to try and make that clearer, and added new spring rate data, from Bilstein, that's valving specific.
Originally Posted by dublinoh
(Post 1944368)
I would just add that: pss10 the higher the adjustment number the "harder"
pss9 the higher the adjustment number the "softer" |
Thanks for getting the info but weren't all H0 kits replaced with H1 kits that had improved valving?
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itacud, is there any possible way that i can obtain similar information for 997?
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Curious: What are the stock 996tt spring rates?
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That's funny. When I called Bilstein some months ago trying to get stiffer springs, they told me there weren't any. So I bought a set of Motons instead of trying to upgrade my PSS9's. Re-springing and re-valving the Bilsteins will be more cost effective for those who choose to do it.
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Larry, the PSS's on my dd use standard sized springs. They can be had in any rate/length from many sources. I didn't know you could revalve the pss9s though.
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FWIW, I have the PSS9 FVD version. It has stiffer and shorter springs...I know they also make a Euro version...
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I wish they would have told me this. I could have saved some money doing this.
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Oh larry I'm your huckleberry... We can just swap, really, no problemo... you know how well my car handles with the lowly PSS9 custom valve jobbers... hilarious
Mike |
Thanks for this info!
Adding detail from inside the instruction manual that is not easily found by Googling: 996TT PSS9 Instructions note part numbers of individual items (which is what you'll see when you look at your parts and try to figure out if it's right or not): Front: E4-FD1-Y623A00 - Main Spring E4-FD1-Z349A00 - Helper Spring VM3-A012 - Shock Absorber (The full p/n on my rear shock says: F4-VM3-A012-H0 ) Rear: E4-FD1-Y518A00 - Main Spring E4-FD1-Y504A01 - Helper Spring BM5-A013 - Shock Absorber (The full p/n on my rear shock says: F4-BM5-A013-H0 ) |
So it doesn't look like there is any difference between the off the shelf PSS9 Ann PSS10 except that you have 9 vs. 10 clicks of adjustment. The rates and valving are exactly identical. Whats weird is that the instructions specify slightly different ride heights for the 9s vs. the 10s.
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As far set up with other systems, I have single adjustable Motons and I am running 550 front and 750 rear. From Moton. Set up works great.
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Originally Posted by itacud
(Post 1944276)
I found a lot of misinformation on these coilvers, so after numerous calls to Bilstein, I finally got the correct figures from them for all the 996 AWD PSSx coilovers. Here they are:
PART NUMBERS: PSS9: C2 - F4-GM5-8846-H0 C4/(C4S) - F4-GM5-8848-H0 Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-8877-H0 (Some builds will be H1) PSS10: Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-D536-H0 SPRING RATES: 8848/8877/D536: f: 260 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender -- r :515 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender Initial combined rates w/o static sag: f: 93 lbs/in -- r: 113 lbs/in Final rates before main coils close: f: 260 lbs/in -- r: 515 lbs/in VALVING: (max force) 8848 (PSS9): 9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed Rebound (in N): f: 9=1465, 1=2050 -- r: 9=2150, 1=2820 Compression (in N): f: 9=935, 1/1=1410 -- r: 9=1310, 1=1530 -- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving: f: 350 lbs/in main -- r: 650 lbs/in main (6.3kg/mm -- 11.6kg/mm) 8877 (PSS9): 9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed Rebound (in N): f: 9=1700, 1=2775 -- r: 9=2270, 1=3060 Compression (in N): f: 9=1050, 1=1695 -- r: 9=1420, 1=1800 -- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving: f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm) D536 (PSS10): 1 = soft/adjuster open, 10 == hard/adjuster closed Rebound (in N): f: 1=1700, 10=2775 -- r: 1=2270, 10=3060 Compression (in N): f: 1=1050, 10=1695 -- r: 1=1420, 10=1800 -- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving: f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm) Bilstein will revalve each strut for $125. It would be interesting to compare valving data and spring rates for other shock models too, if anyone has that data. Instructions: gm5-8848_C4 Manual gm5-8877_Turbo Manual Images: 1) (left) front turbo, (right) front C4 2) (left) rear turbo, (right) rear C4 Thanks this is great info. |
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