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itacud 07-10-2008 09:00 PM

PSS9 and PSS10 - spring rates & valving figures from Bilstein
 
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I found a lot of misinformation on these coilvers, so after numerous calls to Bilstein, I finally got the correct figures from them for all the 996 AWD PSSx coilovers. Here they are:

PART NUMBERS:
PSS9:
C2 - F4-GM5-8846-H0
C4/(C4S) - F4-GM5-8848-H0
Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-8877-H0
(Some builds will be H1)
PSS10:
Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-D536-H0

SPRING RATES:
8848/8877/D536:
f: 260 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender -- r :515 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender
Initial combined rates w/o static sag:
f: 93 lbs/in -- r: 113 lbs/in
Final rates before main coils close:
f: 260 lbs/in -- r: 515 lbs/in

VALVING: (max force)
8848 (PSS9):
9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed
Rebound (in N):
f: 9=1465, 1=2050 -- r: 9=2150, 1=2820
Compression (in N):
f: 9=935, 1/1=1410 -- r: 9=1310, 1=1530

-- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving:
f: 350 lbs/in main -- r: 650 lbs/in main (6.3kg/mm -- 11.6kg/mm)

8877 (PSS9):
9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed
Rebound (in N):
f: 9=1700, 1=2775 -- r: 9=2270, 1=3060
Compression (in N):
f: 9=1050, 1=1695 -- r: 9=1420, 1=1800

-- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving:
f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm)

D536 (PSS10):
1 = soft/adjuster open, 10 == hard/adjuster closed
Rebound (in N):
f: 1=1700, 10=2775 -- r: 1=2270, 10=3060
Compression (in N):
f: 1=1050, 10=1695 -- r: 1=1420, 10=1800

-- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving:
f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm)

Bilstein will revalve each strut for $125.

It would be interesting to compare valving data and spring rates for other shock models too, if anyone has that data.

Instructions:
gm5-8848_C4 Manual
gm5-8877_Turbo Manual

Images:
1) (left) front turbo, (right) front C4
2) (left) rear turbo, (right) rear C4

dublinoh 07-10-2008 09:52 PM

I would just add that: pss10 the higher the adjustment number the "harder"
pss9 the higher the adjustment number the "softer"

itacud 07-11-2008 12:17 PM

Thanks, I updated the post to try and make that clearer, and added new spring rate data, from Bilstein, that's valving specific.


Originally Posted by dublinoh (Post 1944368)
I would just add that: pss10 the higher the adjustment number the "harder"
pss9 the higher the adjustment number the "softer"


911Joel 07-11-2008 12:38 PM

Thanks for getting the info but weren't all H0 kits replaced with H1 kits that had improved valving?

ellistai 06-24-2009 03:05 AM

itacud, is there any possible way that i can obtain similar information for 997?

smdubovsky 06-24-2009 07:48 AM

Curious: What are the stock 996tt spring rates?

landjet 06-24-2009 07:59 AM

That's funny. When I called Bilstein some months ago trying to get stiffer springs, they told me there weren't any. So I bought a set of Motons instead of trying to upgrade my PSS9's. Re-springing and re-valving the Bilsteins will be more cost effective for those who choose to do it.

smdubovsky 06-24-2009 08:51 AM

Larry, the PSS's on my dd use standard sized springs. They can be had in any rate/length from many sources. I didn't know you could revalve the pss9s though.

wross996TT 06-24-2009 10:57 AM

FWIW, I have the PSS9 FVD version. It has stiffer and shorter springs...I know they also make a Euro version...

landjet 06-24-2009 12:59 PM

I wish they would have told me this. I could have saved some money doing this.

Mikelly 06-24-2009 05:07 PM

Oh larry I'm your huckleberry... We can just swap, really, no problemo... you know how well my car handles with the lowly PSS9 custom valve jobbers... hilarious

Mike

MarkP 06-26-2011 02:58 PM

Thanks for this info!

Adding detail from inside the instruction manual that is not easily found by Googling:

996TT PSS9 Instructions note part numbers of individual items (which is what you'll see when you look at your parts and try to figure out if it's right or not):

Front:
E4-FD1-Y623A00 - Main Spring
E4-FD1-Z349A00 - Helper Spring
VM3-A012 - Shock Absorber (The full p/n on my rear shock says: F4-VM3-A012-H0 )

Rear:
E4-FD1-Y518A00 - Main Spring
E4-FD1-Y504A01 - Helper Spring
BM5-A013 - Shock Absorber (The full p/n on my rear shock says: F4-BM5-A013-H0 )

pwdrhound 06-27-2011 10:05 AM

So it doesn't look like there is any difference between the off the shelf PSS9 Ann PSS10 except that you have 9 vs. 10 clicks of adjustment. The rates and valving are exactly identical. Whats weird is that the instructions specify slightly different ride heights for the 9s vs. the 10s.

z99 06-27-2011 07:04 PM

As far set up with other systems, I have single adjustable Motons and I am running 550 front and 750 rear. From Moton. Set up works great.

Duane996tt 06-27-2011 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by itacud (Post 1944276)
I found a lot of misinformation on these coilvers, so after numerous calls to Bilstein, I finally got the correct figures from them for all the 996 AWD PSSx coilovers. Here they are:

PART NUMBERS:
PSS9:
C2 - F4-GM5-8846-H0
C4/(C4S) - F4-GM5-8848-H0
Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-8877-H0
(Some builds will be H1)
PSS10:
Turbo/(GT2) - F4-GM5-D536-H0

SPRING RATES:
8848/8877/D536:
f: 260 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender -- r :515 lbs/in main, 145 lbs/in tender
Initial combined rates w/o static sag:
f: 93 lbs/in -- r: 113 lbs/in
Final rates before main coils close:
f: 260 lbs/in -- r: 515 lbs/in

VALVING: (max force)
8848 (PSS9):
9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed
Rebound (in N):
f: 9=1465, 1=2050 -- r: 9=2150, 1=2820
Compression (in N):
f: 9=935, 1/1=1410 -- r: 9=1310, 1=1530

-- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving:
f: 350 lbs/in main -- r: 650 lbs/in main (6.3kg/mm -- 11.6kg/mm)

8877 (PSS9):
9 = soft/adjuster open, 1 == hard/adjuster closed
Rebound (in N):
f: 9=1700, 1=2775 -- r: 9=2270, 1=3060
Compression (in N):
f: 9=1050, 1=1695 -- r: 9=1420, 1=1800

-- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving:
f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm)

D536 (PSS10):
1 = soft/adjuster open, 10 == hard/adjuster closed
Rebound (in N):
f: 1=1700, 10=2775 -- r: 1=2270, 10=3060
Compression (in N):
f: 1=1050, 10=1695 -- r: 1=1420, 10=1800

-- Max Spring Rates supported w/o revalving:
f: 375 lbs/in main -- r: 700 lbs/in main (6.7kg/mm -- 12.5kg/mm)

Bilstein will revalve each strut for $125.

It would be interesting to compare valving data and spring rates for other shock models too, if anyone has that data.

Instructions:
gm5-8848_C4 Manual
gm5-8877_Turbo Manual

Images:
1) (left) front turbo, (right) front C4
2) (left) rear turbo, (right) rear C4


Thanks this is great info.


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