996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

Vivid Racing 650 kit installed, but dyno results were below expectations

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Old Oct 11, 2008 | 07:55 PM
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Herein lies the problem,
KC, it is probably not a good practice to question your tuner. You kinda stepped on some toes by asking another tuner (Tony?) a question about your tune from another tuner (Scott?). You should have contacted Vivid/Softronic BEFORE you posted here. It seems you didn't do that, as both of those vendors claim to have never heard from you and now that just created a tuner sh*tstorm that we on 6speed are getting tired of reading.
 
Old Oct 11, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by audikp
I disagree that this paints Tony in a bad light. Many people are following this thread to see what the problems and solutions were to the OPs issues. Many people asked questions - some more relevant then others. The OP made a post about his problem. If someone who can add potentially useful information, why shouldn't they post a questions relevant to the discussion or problem?

I supposed everyone looks at forums for a different purpose, but for many its a way to learn. People who post about problems they have and post about the solutions to their problems provides a database of data that others can use to trouble shoot. I think its silly to say someone should stay out of a conversation when they can add value to the OP or anyone reading the post (either today or months/years from now).
OK to sum it up and hopefully end this thread. Softronic was never contacted by the OP about any such said problem and only found this thread by accident.

When any vendor would state this and express that they were offering assistance other vendors should not be asking for more info and data as though the vendor was not capable or trying to look at the issue.

Lets all take a deep breath and move on. This includes me

I have looked at some partial data from Ken and will be awaiting the rest of it.





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Scott Slauson
 
Old Oct 12, 2008 | 12:20 AM
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The OP spent thousands of dollars on a kit and is running at least 100hp shy. There was never any negativity or finger pointing on his part. I think he is just desperately seeking advise and has every right to do so. This never looked bad toward Softronic or Vividracing. If anything has cast a negative light on the two vendors it is their own responses to the problem.
 
Old Oct 12, 2008 | 09:36 AM
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The OP spent thousands of dollars on a kit and is running at least 100hp shy. There was never any negativity or finger pointing on his part. I think he is just desperately seeking advise and has every right to do so. This never looked bad toward Softronic or Vividracing. If anything has cast a negative light on the two vendors it is their own responses to the problem.
Well said, Torresmd.

btw i saw your m3, looks good...
 
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Well said, Torresmd.

btw i saw your m3, looks good...
Thanks! I have forgotten about that car ever since I bought the 996TT
 
Old Oct 12, 2008 | 11:44 AM
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Guys, when I started this thread my intention was to get as many help & advises as I can get. Believe me after spending this kind of money, time and stressing out and not being able to make the hp promised is a very frustating thing and at times I wish I have never made this move in this upgrade. That being said, getting into a dogfight between myself, vendors and the readers of this thread has not been my intention at all and will be the last thing for me to do. I am hoping to be able to come to an end very shortly, my demands are very easily met, I need to make the hp that I paid for.

So yesterday night, I took the car with a buddy to monitor the boost pattern, the car reacts faster from the new flash file which softronic sent me. However, I am not holding boost after 4500rpm. I made a few runs in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear. From ~ 2500 rpm I gun it all the way, feel the power immediately and boost spiked to 1.25 and the boost was holding ~ 1.0 - 1.1 bar until ~ 4500 rpm and it drop to between 0.7 - 0.8 bar and this is eveident on all gears. I have sent the data to scott for analysis and hopefully I can find out what the problem based on the data I sent him.

RAY, perhaps you can please chime in your observations from yesterday if you have a moment. Thanks all.
 
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with any build you should anticipate problems. its just the way it goes sometimes. i had worst problems then you took two months to figure out/fix , car was undrivable .. but at the end when you get it figured out you will be happy you did it . the feelings of wising you never went through with it is natural lol when your experiencing issues . i was the same way.
 
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Originally Posted by kcphuah
Guys, when I started this thread my intention was to get as many help & advises as I can get. Believe me after spending this kind of money, time and stressing out and not being able to make the hp promised is a very frustating thing and at times I wish I have never made this move in this upgrade. That being said, getting into a dogfight between myself, vendors and the readers of this thread has not been my intention at all and will be the last thing for me to do. I am hoping to be able to come to an end very shortly, my demands are very easily met, I need to make the hp that I paid for.

So yesterday night, I took the car with a buddy to monitor the boost pattern, the car reacts faster from the new flash file which softronic sent me. However, I am not holding boost after 4500rpm. I made a few runs in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gear. From ~ 2500 rpm I gun it all the way, feel the power immediately and boost spiked to 1.25 and the boost was holding ~ 1.0 - 1.1 bar until ~ 4500 rpm and it drop to between 0.7 - 0.8 bar and this is eveident on all gears. I have sent the data to scott for analysis and hopefully I can find out what the problem based on the data I sent him.

RAY, perhaps you can please chime in your observations from yesterday if you have a moment. Thanks all.

Hello Ken,

Please pull the data that I asked for and no more. You pulled way to much data and slowed the frame rate down to 1 or maybe 2 per second or basically every 1000 rpm.

Data log this flash the way that I have been asking you and then flash back to the previous one and check the boost the same way. I would like to be sure that it also was not dropping off from a leak. The first flash is a known dyno tested one and your boost dropping of may explain some issues.

Also please send me the complete dyno sheet that you have.

What other dyno's are in your area? Perhaps one that has done Porsches before? The entire curve seems to start out 100 lower in torque and almost 50% less in HP than it should even from the start.

Thank You,
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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 01:42 PM
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I've with Ken last night to log the data. It simply not holding boost at higher rpm, turbos spool up around 3K and flat at 0.6-0.8 bar after 4.5K. Other than software, is there anything wrong will cause this? His car just done the leak test last week and everything seem fine. For the question with different dyno. We only have 1 shop with 4 wheel dyno in our area. He done couple runs with my EVO flash TT though out the process as a baseline and the speed was nothing near it should be after the turbo kit.

I'm beside Ken with this turbo kit upgrade from the beginning at May this year. It has gone thought tons of problems. After 5 months and all the dynos, data send, engine leak check, boost check etc by certified Porsche mechanic. It proof his car is running strong, but the kit still not performs nearly as expects. Anyone who follows this thread can tell Ken has been extremely cooperating thought out this process. I will be mad if I've spent 5 months and $20K+ still need to take care this dog fight and no one able to tell a straight answer what has happens. Hope Scott will able to get it straight for Ken. Dan should have the most data for his own kit and should come forward to solve this issue ASAP.
 
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could it be a diverter valve or wastgeate issue? if its not holding boost i dont think its software related ....
 
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Why people try to save a few bucks going with vendors who can't directly support their products and/or try mail order tunes on anything other than a stage 1 flash is beyond me. I'd be pissed if I were Scott...trying to deal with customers who don't know how to log (among others things).....a vendor who doesn't inform me of customer's issues, another tuner getting himself involved, etc. This whole thread is a cluster****.
 
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Simple, not everyone has a tuner in there backyard, not everyone wants to send there car to another city for multiple weeks/months at a time and prefer to install themselves, etc

The OP should have went straight to Dan before posting IMO, otherwise what would you expect

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Originally Posted by OhioGT2
Why people try to save a few bucks going with vendors who can't directly support their products and/or try mail order tunes on anything other than a stage 1 flash is beyond me. I'd be pissed if I were Scott...trying to deal with customers who don't know how to log (among others things).....a vendor who doesn't inform me of customer's issues, another tuner getting himself involved, etc. This whole thread is a cluster****.
 
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Couldn't have said it better... Whats more, based on the attempts Scott from Softronic has made to get USEFUL data that he has specified that he needs to help the OP, I'm wondering just how the parts were installed in the first place. Makes you wonder what the problems could be and how extensive...

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Simple, not everyone has a tuner in there backyard, not everyone wants to send there car to another city for multiple weeks/months at a time and prefer to install themselves, etc

The OP should have went straight to Dan before posting IMO, otherwise what would you expect

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Old Oct 12, 2008 | 08:13 PM
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I'm wondering just how the parts were installed in the first place. Makes you wonder what the problems could be and how extensive...

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Regarding with the install. The car has been inspected by certified Porsche mechanic (Weissach Vancouver) last week and confirmed all installation are correct. So from now on, we can eliminate this as part of the cause.
 
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Originally Posted by Christian

The OP should have went straight to Dan before posting IMO, otherwise what would you expect

Christian
Ken has contact Dan for the problem, but after couple months of dyno, testing, money and time. All the test confirmed there is no issue with the engine. But there is no straight answer but still 100hp short. If that happen on you, what will you do?
 


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