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The complete road racing thread, take your car to the track!
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Heavy wanted a road racing sticky so here it is mods. Let's talk about road racing, how to do it, what you need to do it, things to bring to the track, tracks we like, times at each track etc... I will start: Grattan Raceway is 15 minutes from my house and a great track with a nice off camber uphill turn, some good twisties and a decent front straight. Did I mention it is 15 minutes from my house? We are doing a track event June 11-13 there for anyone that wants to come. www.grattanraceway.com My best time in my 2002 996 turbo GT700 is 1:29.247 I like to use Hoosier R6's I will let someone else post up things to bring to the track, etc... Hey mods can you make this a sticky? Lap times Grattan Raceway 1:29.247 buddyg 2002 996 turbo GT700 Mid-Ohio 1:40 fast fwd 2001 996 turbo Putnam Park 1:19 fast fwd 2001 996 turbo Road America 2:33.7 fast fwd 2001 996 turbo Thunderhill 1:59 f1crazydriver Weight Reduction Thread: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/71489-official-turbo-weight-loss-thread-lightest-turbo-list.html http://www.trackpedia.com/wiki/Main_Page |
Grattan is a fun track. I am going to gingerman on wednesday with a Gt3 friend. anyone going?
All i have in the car apart from k24/18g and tuning are pagid yellow's (all 4) , sumitomos, castrol SRF. |
What kind of tires?
I have golf league Wednesday night otherwise I would come down to meet you. |
I've been doing DE's for 17 years, instructing for the last 7 or 8. I go to 3 tracks most of the time:
Putnam Park is 45 minutes from my house. 10 turn 1.6 mile course. A great place to start doing DE's: It's fairly flat, very open with lots of runoff. My best time there is 1:19, but I've added some mods since then. Looking forward to meeting a couple of 6speeders there in July - vbmw335, fdorn, I'm calling you guys out! :) Mid-Ohio is a 5 hour drive, worth every moment of it. Technical track, 2.5 miles, 14 turns, with high speed sections, twisties, blind corners and apexes at the tops of hills. I ran 1:40-1:41 last month, with the new mods. Road America is about 6 hours. Beautiful place. Very fast track - 4.2 miles, 14 turns (really only 10-11) with three straights where you are over 150 mph. Not terribly technical. Ran 2:30 last year - that's an average speed right around 100 mph. Did I mention it's a fast track? I plan to try Summit Point this year. It's a long way. Jon |
Cool. I'm doing a shakedown session June 4th at Thunderhill in California.
I'm testing the improvements that the rear camber arms, rear custom toe links, eibach swaybars, and a new aligment can do. Also along with some my new rear wing. I may take adjusting heights to see if their's a differnece. Last time I was there I was 1:59's with a passanger i hope to be in the mid 1:50s with a passanger. |
Mid-Ohio is one of my favorites as well. I ran Laguna Seca in a Skip Barber Formula Dodge and that was a blast as well.
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I was at Blackawk with PCA on Friday and meet someone (Andy W.). He has a Black 997 GT3. He said Mid-Ohio is just exceptional...top-tier (Gingerman - Blackhawk would be bottom, Autobahn CC middle). I would go to Putnam Park and/or Mid-Ohio. It would have to be later in the summer (Julyish)
The only date for sure that I have booked is Autobahn on June 14th with PCA. Jon, thanks for the info on the roll bar (not cage)..lol
Originally Posted by FAST FWD
(Post 2835069)
I've been doing DE's for 17 years, instructing for the last 7 or 8. I go to 3 tracks most of the time:
Putnam Park is 45 minutes from my house. 10 turn 1.6 mile course. A great place to start doing DE's: It's fairly flat, very open with lots of runoff. My best time there is 1:19, but I've added some mods since then. Looking forward to meeting a couple of 6speeders there in July - vbmw335, fdorn, I'm calling you guys out! :) Mid-Ohio is a 5 hour drive, worth every moment of it. Technical track, 2.5 miles, 14 turns, with high speed sections, twisties, blind corners and apexes at the tops of hills. I ran 1:40-1:41 last month, with the new mods. Road America is about 6 hours. Beautiful place. Very fast track - 4.2 miles, 14 turns (really only 10-11) with three straights where you are over 150 mph. Not terribly technical. Ran 2:30 last year - that's an average speed right around 100 mph. Did I mention it's a fast track? I plan to try Summit Point this year. It's a long way. Jon |
Any of you guys run cool suits in the summer up north?
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No, when I ran stock cars in ASA we used them but we were in
the cars for several hours. The DE events with the Porsche are just 20 minute sessions. |
Went to PBIR in March, and I was looking forward to Homestead in June and PBOC at Sebring in July, unfortunately jet ski accident this weekend and I won't even be able to drive for 3 - 4 months, sucks, tore 3 of my 4 quad muscles off my knee cap.
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Originally Posted by buddyg
(Post 2835060)
What kind of tires?
I have golf league Wednesday night otherwise I would come down to meet you. I plan on doing a few Gingerman test tune days this year...we can meet later for sure. |
Originally Posted by f1crazydriver
(Post 2835074)
Cool. I'm doing a shakedown session June 4th at Thunderhill in California.
I'm testing the improvements that the rear camber arms, rear custom toe links, eibach swaybars, and a new aligment can do. Also along with some my new rear wing. I may take adjusting heights to see if their's a differnece. Last time I was there I was 1:59's with a passanger i hope to be in the mid 1:50s with a passanger. |
Originally Posted by 80shilling
(Post 2835137)
1:59's is pretty fast.. Was that using the Cyclone or the bypass?
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Originally Posted by f1crazydriver
(Post 2835145)
Cyclone. Graham, it's a private track event. You can run any sessions as many sessions. You should come, want the info ?
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Buddy G, do this for me, add these links in the original post so that people that come to the section, who will inevitably look for these things can find them and we won't need too many stickies for them. Most of the stuff you've said already has a thread dedicated to those very things. Maybe the original post can be a portal to the rest of the useful stuff. It will be too hard to keep track of everything in one thread IMO.
Lap times thread: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/108848-lap-times-thread.html Weight Reduction Thread: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/71489-official-turbo-weight-loss-thread-lightest-turbo-list.html I would put the brake thread, but Mike deleted all his posts rendering it useless. |
With all your HP you are gonna melt the sumi's right off your rims when the weather gets hot...hilarious
Originally Posted by vbmw335
(Post 2835135)
I use cheap street tires from Sumitomo...not the best but it does the job. I was at Autobanh CC for the Audi club DE it was a lot of fun. I am looking forward to going to Road America this year.
I plan on doing a few Gingerman test tune days this year...we can meet later for sure. |
I am still po'd about the sorting truth from friction thread...
Originally Posted by heavychevy
(Post 2835457)
Buddy G, do this for me, add these links in the original post so that people that come to the section, who will inevitably look for these things can find them and we won't need too many stickies for them. Most of the stuff you've said already has a thread dedicated to those very things. Maybe the original post can be a portal to the rest of the useful stuff. It will be too hard to keep track of everything in one thread IMO.
Lap times thread: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/108848-lap-times-thread.html Weight Reduction Thread: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/71489-official-turbo-weight-loss-thread-lightest-turbo-list.html I would put the brake thread, but Mike deleted all his posts rendering it useless. |
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I have been doing DE for 11 yrs. never in the 996t, in my '00 S4
Glen, VIR, NJMP- Thunderbolt, Summit Point Main and Shenandoah, all Great tracks. Summit and NJMP also have arrive and drive karts that are fun as well. Accomidations- Nothing on track site for Glen and Summit. VIR and NJMP have first rate places. If you can stay at the garage townhomes where your balcony is right on the track. VIR garage suites are also "on" the track with garage beneath.
I use Michellin Sport Cups - R compound, awesome and streetable. Use a track brake pad! Pick your closest track, start SLOW and Smooth, speed comes in time. The driver makes the car fast, My S4 and I have passed a F360, Vipers, Zo6's...I have been passed by much slower cars with much better drivers. It's not a race, have fun. |
Originally Posted by heavychevy
(Post 2835457)
Buddy G, do this for me, add these links in the original post so that people that come to the section, who will inevitably look for these things can find them and we won't need too many stickies for them. Most of the stuff you've said already has a thread dedicated to those very things. Maybe the original post can be a portal to the rest of the useful stuff. It will be too hard to keep track of everything in one thread IMO.
Lap times thread: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/108848-lap-times-thread.html Weight Reduction Thread: https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/996-turbo-gt2/71489-official-turbo-weight-loss-thread-lightest-turbo-list.html I would put the brake thread, but Mike deleted all his posts rendering it useless. |
Originally Posted by vbmw335
(Post 2835135)
I use cheap street tires from Sumitomo...not the best but it does the job. I was at Autobanh CC for the Audi club DE it was a lot of fun. I am looking forward to going to Road America this year.
I plan on doing a few Gingerman test tune days this year...we can meet later for sure. You would be amazed at what a good track tire would do for your times! Also having some harnesses will make it more fun as well because you won't be trying to hold onto the steering wheel to keep your butt in the seat! hilarious |
My Latest setup, and the best so far by quite a margin.
I have been slowly working on my suspension setup over the last few months.. Using Laguna Seca as my test track, I have been trying to get the handling as perfect as possible, by changing one setting at a time and then comparing lap times and notes about the previous settings...
This is my latest and by far my best setup to date... obviously, I am more track focused than most, but it still works well on the street. My latest setup: Front camber -2.8 1/16th toe out 7.8 degrees caster Rear camber -2.4 1/16th toe in Ride height: 105 mm (4.13") (measured floor to the correct underside bolts, not to wheelarches) Front 125 mm (4.92") (measured floor to the correct underside bolts, not to wheelarches) Rear Corner Balanced with 200 lbs in driver's seat. The Car turns in much better now.. The front end has improved grip and has less power on understeer in uphill corners.. The best setup I have tried so far by quite a bit. I am VERY, VERY happy with this setup. |
Originally Posted by buddyg
(Post 2836191)
You would be amazed at what a good track tire would do for your times!
Also having some harnesses will make it more fun as well because you won't be trying to hold onto the steering wheel to keep your butt in the seat! hilarious |
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I destroyed a set of Sumi's last year - and my car was stock. Can't image what you would do to them running all that horse power on a hot summer day. I will never run them again. These tires have a couple thousand miles on them.
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Originally Posted by vbmw335
(Post 2839041)
I agree, i came back from yesterdays gingerman trackday. The sumitomos suck!...i cant wait to buy a r compound and get some suspension work done.
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Originally Posted by vbmw335
(Post 2839041)
I agree, i came back from yesterdays gingerman trackday. The sumitomos suck!...i cant wait to buy a r compound and get some suspension work done.
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Originally Posted by buddyg
(Post 2839272)
I have a brand new set of Hoosier R6's to put on at the track in June at Grattan! Can't wait!
Cheers// Let us know how they turn out for you. |
Yep,
I had them heat cycled already so I should be good to go. I hope they will hook up better than my Pilot Sport Cups because the last time I ran them at this track I was spinning in 2nd gear out of several corners! hilarious |
BuddyG - what size Hoosiers are you running?
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P225/40ZR -18 Hoosier R6
P295/30ZR -18 Hoosier R6 |
To those using R6 Hoosiers, have you tried their actual race tires? I was thinking of getting a set to try at the track this year, I have run Michelin slicks in the past. Any thoughts?
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I contacted the Hoosier distributer to ask about true slicks and I couldn't get them. Where can you buy them?
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Hoosier race slicks
Appalachian Race Tire.
(865) 681-6622 I am also unsure about fit, the tires are 3/8" wider on each side in the rear, and 1/4" wider on each side in the front. |
Updated Settings, more complete
More Complete settings with more specific and accurate info..
Settings as of now: JRZ Triple Adjustables with quick disconnect remote canisters. Front Camber: -2.8 degrees Rear Camber: -2.3 degrees Caster: 7.5 degrees Front Ride Height: 103mm (4.0 inches) measured ground to correct bolts Rear Ride Height : 115mm (4.5 inches) measured ground to correct bolts Front Toe: + 1/16th (toe OUT) Rear Toe : - 1/16th (toe IN) Front Swaybar: full soft (5th hole) Rear Swaybar : second from full stiff (2nd hole). Tire Front: Hoosier R6 245/35-18, 29 psi cold, aiming for 38-39 psi hot Tire Rear : Hoosier R6 315/30-18, 29 psi cold, aiming for 37-38 psi hot Full corner balance with my weight in the driver's seat, 3/4 tank of gas. Amazing change in how the front end is working.. LOVE, LOVE, LOVE how the Car is working now...:D |
Sounds like it is setup fantastic. Have you been to the track yet this year? We need people to post some videos!
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Originally Posted by buddyg
(Post 2855802)
Sounds like it is setup fantastic. Have you been to the track yet this year? We need people to post some videos!
Ignore the nasty knocking sound.. it's the camera hitting my windshield. This is pre recent changes with just baseline settings on my suspension. The Car turns in better and holds a line better as well with my newest settings. The ZO6 was a full T1 Race Car, stripped out, 2500 lbs, slicks, full Aero, driven by an instructor etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6zhvTEbAM |
nice! seems like you know the track well? how many times a year are you there? what tires are you running?
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Originally Posted by 2muchtime
(Post 2856038)
nice! seems like you know the track well? how many times a year are you there? what tires are you running?
If I was trying a bit harder, I would have been more aggressive on clipping the apex rumble strips and would have carried my braking a bit deeper, together with a bit more corner speed everywhere. I had a student in the Car with me on this run and was trying to run the perfect line at 90% of what the Car can do, just to keep it tidy for instructional purposes. Cheers... |
Originally Posted by 80shilling
(Post 2856016)
Ask and you shall receive... I have posted this before, but here goes.
Ignore the nasty knocking sound.. it's the camera hitting my windshield. This is pre recent changes with just baseline settings on my suspension. The Car turns in better and holds a line better as well with my newest settings. The ZO6 was a full T1 Race Car, stripped out, 2500 lbs, slicks, full Aero, driven by an instructor etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6zhvTEbAM Here is my vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXY9sxN9lTI p.s. your not going to believe it but, i actually learned how to do heal toe at the track. the 996 was my first manual car (2 weeks of ownership and im at the track)!!! |
Originally Posted by f1crazydriver
(Post 2856127)
We have almost identical lines :) Only difference is the last turn. I like your turn in better i'll try that next time. Granted, that was my very first time in the 911 with a passanger in complete stock trim, and me getting to know the track and the car. hilarious Karting really does help finding a great driving line super fast ;)
Here is my vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXY9sxN9lTI p.s. your not going to believe it but, i actually learned how to do heal toe at the track. the 996 was my first manual car (2 weeks of ownership and im at the track)!!! |
That isn't a "full T1 Zo6 race car". GCR from SCCA states that no aero is allowed and that weight on the Z06 be 3240 with driver, unless the rules changed in the last three months... Don't know what that Vette is, but it ain't T1 legal! ;)
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Originally Posted by 80shilling
(Post 2856016)
Ask and you shall receive... I have posted this before, but here goes.
Ignore the nasty knocking sound.. it's the camera hitting my windshield. This is pre recent changes with just baseline settings on my suspension. The Car turns in better and holds a line better as well with my newest settings. The ZO6 was a full T1 Race Car, stripped out, 2500 lbs, slicks, full Aero, driven by an instructor etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK6zhvTEbAM |
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