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Market feeler: flared front fenders

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Old 09-22-2016, 05:32 AM
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Few other options.

Jacquemond:





Kamizawa Japan:







Zimspeed:



 

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Old 09-22-2016, 09:33 AM
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^^^Hmm, looks like some good stuff there...the french company products look the best IMO. I wouldn't spend that much money to convert my 996 to a wanna be 997 though.
 
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Old 10-14-2016, 06:16 AM
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How about these, in the spirit of Liberty Walk:

 
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I am not a huge fan of Liberty Walk. They have too many lines, angles, scoops, etc, etc. Their kits look... Japanese.

That said, I was thinking more bulbous fenders all along rather than flares extending just around the wheel well. And the back end of the car in your pic looks really cool IMO. But the diagonal line and indent is not so visible with the black. 4 bulbous fender extensions that more or less replace the entire outer side of the fenders and quarter panels... The Zimspeed pics you posted above come close.
 

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Another view of that kit above:



Looks like Japanese, but it's US.
Here's a build story about that Zimspeed P96XXL, unfortunately pics are rather small. An issue with that kit is that the front bumper is too low for street use.
Too bad that nobody makes 993 GT2 evo -lookalike set for 996s'.

Nankai San's vision:

 

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Personally I like the Japanese ones. Getty design makes already flared fenders for 1k for fiberglass and 1500 for CF for a pair of them. The flare is built in, no extra, so if its the functionality $1500 + paint and you are ready to go.

Outside of that I'd like this.
 
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Originally Posted by heavychevy
Personally I like the Japanese ones. Getty design makes already flared fenders for 1k for fiberglass and 1500 for CF for a pair of them. The flare is built in, no extra, so if its the functionality $1500 + paint and you are ready to go.

Outside of that I'd like this.
From what I understand, Getty does not offer these anymore and hasn't bothered to updated their site to indicate.
 
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Originally Posted by SeattleTurbo
From what I understand, Getty does not offer these anymore and hasn't bothered to updated their site to indicate.
Correct. Half of the stuff on the Getty website is not available. The fenders are one of them.
 
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Thinking of wider chassis parts it seems that 996 is kind of forgotten. There's almost everything for aircooled cars, and again for 997s. But just derivatives of RSR parts for our cars. Even less for mkIs.
Speaking of 997s, this is my favourite style of wider (front) fenders:



This Manthey Aerokit 3-3 (MM996-AD-CVB) has the same looks and is also still available, but it's price is ridiculous. Parts cost €21.000, installation €9.790 and painting €4.150. Plus 19% VAT. Grand total is €49.478,53!



Would be cheaper to buy a complete car, one is for sale in Germany right now for €79.900:



Porsche 911 GT3 MR

3900ccm Boxermotor mit 460 PS
Manthey Racing Umbau
6-Gang Schaltgetriebe


Ausstattung:

  • · H&R Distanzscheiben
  • · 19" BBS CHR Felgen mit MPSC2 Reifen
  • · GT2 6-Kolben Bremsanalage
  • · Kohlefaser Breitbau vorne und hinten
  • · Nur 1350 Kg Gewicht
  • · Hauptstromschalter
  • · 6-Gang Handschaltung
  • · Kohlefaser GT2 Heckspoiler
  • · KW Fahrwerk
  • · Überrollkäfig
  • · Feuerlöscher
  • · Wildlederlenkrad
  • · Emotag Datenaufzeichnung und Kamerasystem
  • · Stahlflexbremsleitungen


Motorrevision und Umbau in 2011 bei ca. 49.500 Km.
Vorbesitzer ist Olaf Manthey - Wertsteigerungspotential!

Owned by Olaf Manthey himself...




 

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I think flared fenders can be done relatively easily custom made, but those do not seem to solve the issue of bigger front tires: Not enough room in front of the tire?

A total new front would be then needed to get meaty grippy tires, not only wider fenders? I think you can put on quite big tires with the stock rolled fenders, but the trouble starts when turning and driving into a huge compression at the track, like Fuchsröhre at the Ring at 250km/h? For example, once my 245/35/19 Trofeo R ripped off the whole turn signal...

P.S. Manthey kits are crazy expensive but include carbon doors etc. These are their mk2 looks spotted from the the Ring,



 
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Originally Posted by Kaizu
I think flared fenders can be done relatively easily custom made, but those do not seem to solve the issue of bigger front tires: Not enough room in front of the tire?

A total new front would be then needed to get meaty grippy tires, not only wider fenders? I think you can put on quite big tires with the stock rolled fenders, but the trouble starts when turning and driving into a huge compression at the track, like Fuchsröhre at the Ring at 250km/h? For example, once my 245/35/19 Trofeo R ripped off the whole turn signal...
Kaizu, you need these:



Then you can center your wheels (ie adjust caster) and enjoy benefits of wider fronts. I run now 235/40-18 on 8.5 et40 wheels with 15mm shims each side. It equals about 1516 mm front track or tire outside-outside width of 1751 mm, while standard 996 GT3 has 1475/1700mm and turbo 1465/1690mm.
But I'd like to wider...much wider.

For comparison 991 GT3RS's numbers are 1587/1852mm. With 20mm shims and 265/35-18 tires on 10x18 et20 wheels one goes to 1568/1833mm. Which requires, by my calculations, 40mm wider fenders each side. Plus some fenderliner mods.

No, I haven't thought about this....much...today...
 

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Kai is correct. You do NOT need wide fenders to run wide tires. You need a fully adjustable suspension to make it work including motorsport upper mounts and you will need to relocate the radiators further forward. I'm running 18x10 fronts with 275 tires at a 100mm ride height (that's 1/2" lower than GT2) with stock fenders. My front tires actually tuck under the fender a bit. I don't have any rubbing. You also do not need the adjustable tension links as pictured above as there are other options. You simply need to install adjustable solid caster pucks in the LCAs and they allow you to do the same thing for a fraction of the cost. Tarett sells these for $250/pair. If you don't mind spending a little money, install PMNA LCAs (pictured below), they already come with the adjustable caster pucks stock. I'm running the 997RSR rear arms on all 4 corners as they are 5mm shorter than the OEM TT arms which helps in creating clearance to run a wide wheel as a result. They are also much stronger than the stock LCAs which I've seen fail on hard tracked cars.

Running wide fenders in conjunction with skinny tires on a wide track is not the majic bullet. It will provide marginal benefit but introduce a number of problems. Ideally you want to run the widest tires possible on the widest wheel possible to get a max performance benefit. You will obviously want to do this in concert with wider rear wheel and tires to provide a balanced improvement. Rear stock fenders will accept up to a 13" wheel with a 335 tire.

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Yes, you don't need adjustable thrust arms to adjust caster, but doing it with pucks sucks...
 
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Originally Posted by pete95zhn
Yes, you don't need adjustable thrust arms to adjust caster, but doing it with pucks sucks...
Really? How so? It's super easy. A monkey with a wrench could do it. You unbolt the TA at the LCA, turn the pucks, reconnect the TA and it's done. Takes a couple of minutes per side. You only do it once. Using the pucks instead of the adj. TAs gives you the added benefit of eliminating the rubber factory LCA bushing which will help eliminate toe changes under load. Win win all around and much cheaper. Just suggesting an economical way to accomplish a simple task. Not everything has to cost an arm and a leg.
 

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I locked pucks on my LCAs (F&R) to angles described on 996 RS(R)s tech manual and set caster with thrust arms. Even easier than turning those pucks, IMO. Yes, one should get rid of all suspension rubber. What's left in my car is tires...
Big rubber is one thing in grip, the other is width of track. Increasing front track is (again IMO) the solution to front grip problem...that's why these flared fenders. Unfortunately readily available & feasible solutions are just few. Most of the alternatives above are just for looks, except race proven ones. The one to use should be found among those, all the suspension travel and steering angle must be available. Instead of steering angle limiters found from some race steering racks in cars with big rubber and narrow body.
So increasing track with spacers (bad idea in general) or small wheel offset is not the most ideal solution. With adjustable LCAs and max shims one can increase track close to 50 mm, although after 30 mm camber starts to increase beyond street use. But if adding some travel to McP upper bearing holes in chassis this can be compensated to some extent. Adding shims pushes hubs out and forward, adding caster, which must be compensated, as discussed above.
I'm running now 235/40-18s on 8.5x18 et40 wheels. Adding 1.5" wider outer rims wheels will be 10x18 et20 and just nice for 265/35-18 tires. Bringing outer edges of contact patch about 1830 mm apart. This is some 13 cm (over 5") more than OEM 996. More than any OEM Porsche, except 991 GT3RS. Should have some effect, shouldn't it? Of course something must be done to rear too, but's that's another discussion. Actually I'd like to use F295/30 -R335/30, but there's no MPSC2 in that size. As a matter of fact nowadays in Europe no semislick whatsoever. So F265-R295 placed as wide as possible.
 

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