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Or he can let Matt make a pass.
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Don't get offended, but honestly, that sounds like something that someone slow would say... 99.99% of us try to best our times by doing everything we can within the rules period. Comparing to a dyno where you can mess with temperature, barometric pressure, altitude, etc... simply shows your lack of knowledge. Again, not a knock, just a fact.
As for fudging the numbers, you are just ridiculous. There is nothing "fudging" or "dishonest" about running a time within the rules. I guess I understand that when you're slow, gaining a tenth or two is not that valuable...but when you are running with the big dogs, an extra tenth or two is HARD to come by.
Peter
As for fudging the numbers, you are just ridiculous. There is nothing "fudging" or "dishonest" about running a time within the rules. I guess I understand that when you're slow, gaining a tenth or two is not that valuable...but when you are running with the big dogs, an extra tenth or two is HARD to come by.
Peter
Yeah, I'm serious.
It's like chasing a dyno number, that's my point.
I agree that there have to be "parameters" that need to be met, like the max 3% grade.
However, I, personally, do not chase that grade just to get a number quicker than the next guy.
In the real world, cars run what they run.
I can't see trying to find that grade just to pick up a tenth or two.
Again., when you meet up with another car for a highway roll, all that gradient data goes down the tubes.
I'd much rather know what my car runs on a fairly level surface, rather than try to fudge the numbers in my favor by finding the max downslope allowable.
But that's just me.
You can do it any way you'd like.
It's like chasing a dyno number, that's my point.
I agree that there have to be "parameters" that need to be met, like the max 3% grade.
However, I, personally, do not chase that grade just to get a number quicker than the next guy.
In the real world, cars run what they run.
I can't see trying to find that grade just to pick up a tenth or two.
Again., when you meet up with another car for a highway roll, all that gradient data goes down the tubes.
I'd much rather know what my car runs on a fairly level surface, rather than try to fudge the numbers in my favor by finding the max downslope allowable.
But that's just me.
You can do it any way you'd like.
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Don't get offended, but honestly, that sounds like something that someone slow would say... 99.99% of us try to best our times by doing everything we can within the rules period. Comparing to a dyno where you can mess with temperature, barometric pressure, altitude, etc... simply shows your lack of knowledge. Again, not a knock, just a fact.
As for fudging the numbers, you are just ridiculous. There is nothing "fudging" or "dishonest" about running a time within the rules. I guess I understand that when you're slow, gaining a tenth or two is not that valuable...but when you are running with the big dogs, an extra tenth or two is HARD to come by.
Peter
As for fudging the numbers, you are just ridiculous. There is nothing "fudging" or "dishonest" about running a time within the rules. I guess I understand that when you're slow, gaining a tenth or two is not that valuable...but when you are running with the big dogs, an extra tenth or two is HARD to come by.
Peter
Talk about lack of knowledge...
Yours is evident by not acknowledging the constant discussions of dyno results, and the different results accrued to different dynamometers..
There is always an enthusiast who wonders why he didn't make the same power as another guy who has the same mods.
Wait, they used different dyno shops!
So now the guy runs to the other shop to get his "real" dyno numbers.
Get my point?
Same with chasing the heralded 2.99999999% decline.
Just run it, what ever happens, happens.
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LOL, sure, yea, that's it... 
I must not know what I'm talking about. You're not worth the time, but FYI, I've dyno'ed more cars myself in the last 12 months than you've seen dyno in your life. FWIW
Take care bud, and when you actually get something fast, you'll see what all of us are talking about.
Peter
I must not know what I'm talking about. You're not worth the time, but FYI, I've dyno'ed more cars myself in the last 12 months than you've seen dyno in your life. FWIWTake care bud, and when you actually get something fast, you'll see what all of us are talking about.
Peter
Gee I never knew you could change all those parameters!!
Talk about lack of knowledge...
Yours is evident by not acknowledging the constant discussions of dyno results, and the different results accrued to different dynamometers..
There is always an enthusiast who wonders why he didn't make the same power as another guy who has the same mods.
Wait, they used different dyno shops!
So now the guy runs to the other shop to get his "real" dyno numbers.
Get my point?
Same with chasing the heralded 2.99999999% decline.
Just run it, what ever happens, happens.
Talk about lack of knowledge...
Yours is evident by not acknowledging the constant discussions of dyno results, and the different results accrued to different dynamometers..
There is always an enthusiast who wonders why he didn't make the same power as another guy who has the same mods.
Wait, they used different dyno shops!
So now the guy runs to the other shop to get his "real" dyno numbers.
Get my point?
Same with chasing the heralded 2.99999999% decline.
Just run it, what ever happens, happens.
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vrybad,
You are aware that Peter runs the Supra Nats where he has dynoed 100's of cars and supervised 100's of 1/4s and 60-130's. His old car ran a 4.5 and he was on the track when Bod Helms ran a verified 3.93.
You are aware that Peter runs the Supra Nats where he has dynoed 100's of cars and supervised 100's of 1/4s and 60-130's. His old car ran a 4.5 and he was on the track when Bod Helms ran a verified 3.93.
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Not sure if this guy is getting the point here Sean and I think Peter has seen more Dyno's than most people on this thread. I've also noticed that he only talks if it's worth his time by looking at his date with the forum and number of posts. Hats of to you Peter. Hope I will make it one day to see the big show in Houston.
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LOL, sure, yea, that's it... I must not know what I'm talking about. You're not worth the time, but FYI, I've dyno'ed more cars myself in the last 12 months than you've seen dyno in your life. FWIW
Take care bud, and when you actually get something fast, you'll see what all of us are talking about.
Peter
I must not know what I'm talking about. You're not worth the time, but FYI, I've dyno'ed more cars myself in the last 12 months than you've seen dyno in your life. FWIWTake care bud, and when you actually get something fast, you'll see what all of us are talking about.
Peter
For you to take a personal shot at my level of intelligence tells me all about you and your inflated ego.
I wonder how all the other guys that run in the mid to upper 6 second range will feel about your appraisal of their performance.
Trust me, it doesn't bother me.
I could quote a popular mod here that stated he felt he would rather keep all runs to a max 1% decline, but that it may limit some in areas that don't have many flat stretches, so he adjusted the rules a bit.
This I understand.
You just keep missing my original point.
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I am aware of those things.
We just have a difference of opinion.
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Not sure if this guy is getting the point here Sean and I think Peter has seen more Dyno's than most people on this thread. I've also noticed that he only talks if it's worth his time by looking at his date with the forum and number of posts. Hats of to you Peter. Hope I will make it one day to see the big show in Houston.
Art,
Maybe you haven't noticed, but I don't own a Porsche, which limits the amount of posting I do in this forum because I do not have ownership experience with this vehicle.
I just like them a lot.
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That being said for cars set up for roll racing, traction limited, or for times when a drag strip isn't practical. 60-130 is a good test for performance, albeit just a snapshot.
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I finally got to test a Ferrari Enzo! Temperature was about 70 degrees, fuel is 91 Octane (R+M)/2. The car is noticeably faster with 100 Octane, but I didn't have a chance to get it before these runs. Next time.
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