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Divexxtreme Apr 19, 2008 12:47 PM


Originally Posted by heavychevy (Post 1804636)
I'm going to post this on the NASA forums. They seem to think that AWD is worth a 50 hp penalty vs RWD (a penalty of .5 which is almost as much as adding non DOT slicks)

I'm having to consider removing it so I will have a real shot against the 2900 lb (w/ driver) Z06's.


Good luck. A 2900 lb Z06 with driver has to be a very difficult car to compete against...especially with a (totally unfair IMO) .5 penalty against you.

TXGold Apr 19, 2008 01:16 PM

One thing that may have mattered was the Feb run was on 93, and these runs were on a 50/50 mix of 93 and 109. Since I don't have a race file, I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make. I hope this doesn't mess up the comparison:(. Thanks for the congratulations everyone!

Heavy, both runs were at my posted weights at the time. I think I was at 3303 in AWD and now, in RWD, I'm at 3215. Both runs were at the 1/4 tank allotment you have provided in your threads.

Does this put me in the lead for k16 cars?

What was KPG's configuration when he made the 7.93 run?

Ryan

Divexxtreme Apr 19, 2008 01:25 PM

Shoot. The fuel probably did make a difference, although I don't know how much.

Any way we can get you to get some dyno runs on 93, and then on 93/109 on the same dyno, same day;)

Oh and yes....you're in the lead for stock K16 cars!

TXGold Apr 19, 2008 01:39 PM

I don't know if I'll be able to find time anytime soon.

heavychevy Apr 19, 2008 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Divexxtreme (Post 1804669)
Good luck. A 2900 lb Z06 with driver has to be a very difficult car to compete against...especially with a (totally unfair IMO) .5 penalty against you.


One is north of 600 whp which confuses me as to how it's in the same class when the weight/power ratio limit is 5.5 (And that is closer to 4.5)

Even still I'm not far behind. I'm going to keep my car RWD when I got to Barber Motorsports Park in a few weeks and see if it helps on a tighter circuit, while the AWD helps in high speed turns, it's the slow stuff that makes it struggle.



One question though, how much of the front diff is unsprung? I dont want to take it out, but the rewards are too great (weight loss, points gain, no power understeer)

heavychevy Apr 19, 2008 04:25 PM

Wasnt there a DIY somewhere on here for the RWD conversion? I took my shaft out for the dyno next week. If I can borrow Al Norton or Manalex's Performance box I will do a 60-130 test 3 fold:

AWD
RWD shaft removal only
RWD complete removal

Maybe it will shed some light on the problem I was having with the shaft removed only. I'll do all three in the same spot.

This is if I decide to remove it, which right now, it makes life much easier in getting to my weight to power goals.


Also, no response, on the unsprung weight? Is there any of it unsprung or am I putting a big dent in my front rear bias ratio?

Divexxtreme Apr 19, 2008 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by heavychevy (Post 1804915)
Wasnt there a DIY somewhere on here for the RWD conversion? I took my shaft out for the dyno next week. If I can borrow Al Norton or Manalex's Performance box I will do a 60-130 test 3 fold:

AWD
RWD shaft removal only
RWD complete removal

Maybe it will shed some light on the problem I was having with the shaft removed only. I'll do all three in the same spot.

This is if I decide to remove it, which right now, it makes life much easier in getting to my weight to power goals.


Also, no response, on the unsprung weight? Is there any of it unsprung or am I putting a big dent in my front rear bias ratio?

Sorry Dez...just saw this. AFAIK, everything you remove is sprung weight.

As far as the DIY, is this what you were looking for:

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...&highlight=rwd

WOODTSTER Apr 19, 2008 05:42 PM

KPG's run was probably verified by KPGhilarioushilarious.

So we have .82 difference in the two runs on different roads using
different gas on different days. Is this correct.

I am hopeful this is statistically significant, but I do not know for sure.

MK

Divexxtreme Apr 19, 2008 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by WOODTSTER (Post 1805001)
KPG's run was probably verified by KPGhilarioushilarious.

So we have .82 difference in the two runs on different roads using
different gas on different days. Is this correct.

I am hopeful this is statistically significant, but I do not know for sure.

MK

The road really doesn't matter. The slope and weather conditions do. These slopes were almost identical...and the weather was actually better during the slower run.

The difference in octane during the faster run, however, may have a significant effect. Not 100% sure though, since he doesn't have a race program optimized to take advantage of better fuel.

heavychevy Apr 19, 2008 06:48 PM

Like a big difference? Do our cars respond that well to different fuel?

Either way, I dont care, I've been wanting to step up to the next level of difficulty in driving anyways, I get tired of asking myself if the AWD saved me when I get crossed up and make a big save. I'm starting off without the LSD, but will add it in a month or so. And soon I'll be going ABS/PSM less.

Where is the info on the LSD?

WOODTSTER Apr 20, 2008 07:33 AM

Scott,

I was not actually mocking the results, I would love to see another comparo!!
this is good info you are seeking out and compiling for us. I have seen how
much more efficient a GT2 is at putting out power with the same (or lessor)
mods as compared to an AWD 996TT!

MK

Divexxtreme Apr 20, 2008 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by WOODTSTER (Post 1805609)
Scott,

I was not actually mocking the results, I would love to see another comparo!!
this is good info you are seeking out and compiling for us. I have seen how
much more efficient a GT2 is at putting out power with the same (or lessor)
mods as compared to an AWD 996TT!

MK

Hey bro,

I didn't think you were mocking anything. I apologize if came across that way in my post.

And ya..you're definitely right about the GT2's. Less weight and less drivetrain loss makes them really quick with only a few modifications.:eek:

Divexxtreme Apr 20, 2008 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by heavychevy (Post 1805071)
Like a big difference? Do our cars respond that well to different fuel?

I know they do if they are tuned for it, Dez. But I'm not sure how they respond by just using better fuel and not advancing timing or increasing boost.


Either way, I dont care, I've been wanting to step up to the next level of difficulty in driving anyways, I get tired of asking myself if the AWD saved me when I get crossed up and make a big save. I'm starting off without the LSD, but will add it in a month or so. And soon I'll be going ABS/PSM less.

Where is the info on the LSD?
Here are some threads for you to peruse:

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59970&highlight=lsd
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=121694&highlight=lsd
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55861&highlight=lsd
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52385&highlight=lsd
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78491&highlight=lsd
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=98601&highlight=lsd

VBOXKING Apr 20, 2008 09:22 AM

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Finally got my GT700 Cayenne out for some 60-130mph runs. Best time was 12.69 seconds on 2.95% slope. PSM off started at 50mph, hit the gas and let the tranny do all the shifting. Car had to shift right at the end around 127 mph. Conditions were 50 degrees with average pressure and 80% humidity.

60-100mph was 5.64 seconds, while 100-130mph was around 7.05 seconds. The car really hits a wall once into triple digit speeds due to drag.

100-200km/h was 10.61 seconds. Stock 100-200km/h time for a Turbo S is 13.9.

Sent the file to Scott for verification.

Aaron

Divexxtreme Apr 20, 2008 10:33 AM

Nice job, Aaron. You beat Peter's stock IS-F.:D


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