Great News - New Bolt On GT28 Turbos from Tial
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Originally Posted by Fishey
I don't come here because every time I do I just get angery...
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
Sorry to come at you like this.. but do you have any idea what your talking about?
I and a few others are producing 900 whp at 1.5 bars of boost( unlike the supras that run 40+ psi). If you dont't think our engines are producing HP then you are in your own world my friend. I trapped( in my street legal 996tt) 119+ mph in a 1/8th at 1.24 bars of boost. If that is not speed then I dont know what is. And I can still go to my local grocery store, church, and even go on a cross country trip. Sure there is always something faster... but for you to make a mockery out of a our traps is simply ignorant. It just proves that you do not have a Turbo Porsche. Get one... tune one... then come back and lets talk.
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I and a few others are producing 900 whp at 1.5 bars of boost( unlike the supras that run 40+ psi). If you dont't think our engines are producing HP then you are in your own world my friend. I trapped( in my street legal 996tt) 119+ mph in a 1/8th at 1.24 bars of boost. If that is not speed then I dont know what is. And I can still go to my local grocery store, church, and even go on a cross country trip. Sure there is always something faster... but for you to make a mockery out of a our traps is simply ignorant. It just proves that you do not have a Turbo Porsche. Get one... tune one... then come back and lets talk.
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Yet, on this forum it seems everyother person has these mods listed on there signature. There are some people who have spent a small fortune in there 996's and without a doubt I agree all the things you are talking about are obtainable as far as drivability but at what cost to you? Almost no one here actually works on there own cars or has actually fabricated a single part of there setup. So vendors just compleately Rip people off for the aftermarket parts (not even talking install). I won't talk about my experiance with protomotive but whatever..
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Originally Posted by KPG
Life is too short to be angry, but you did come in here and pretty much tell everyone they have no idea what they are doing... so perhaps you can let us in on your extensive background in extracting high HP from Porsche turbos... I am always open to some pointers from the experts. Kevin
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Originally Posted by Fishey
I have to say that 99.9% of the people with these cars have any idea on how to properly moddify a car. Most everyone on this board fixes the problem with tons of money. The tuners that do know what they are talking about at some level have a 500% markup but thats fine because people pay it. Honestly this community should hide in a shadow and cry for forgivness from any car enthusiest for the money wasted. Just take a look at the top 1/4 and trapspeed thread it is a joke. Its not even like your working with a motor that is hard to get power from.
I can't even get mad,he made me laugh.......he is so out of it.Dude remember its puff,puff,pass!Too many tokes will damage the brain.
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Originally Posted by Fishey
Honestly this community should hide in a shadow and cry for forgivness from any car enthusiest for the money wasted. Just take a look at the top 1/4 and trapspeed thread it is a joke. Its not even like your working with a motor that is hard to get power from.
I have an EVO 8 street car and that runs 10.2s.... and no is does not take a small fortune to make it go that fast. Unfortunatley a stock motor costs $20K plus so u figure that any tuning will cost alot more then any Evo 8 motr that u can get for $3K.
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Originally Posted by joetwint
I can't even get mad,he made me laugh.......he is so out of it.Dude remember its puff,puff,pass!Too many tokes will damage the brain. that was tooo funny!!!
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
I have an EVO 8 street car and that runs 10.2s.... and no is does not take a small fortune to make it go that fast. Unfortunatley a stock motor costs $20K plus so u figure that any tuning will cost alot more then any Evo 8 motr that u can get for $3K.
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Originally Posted by Fishey
You think the tuning is that much diffrent? Do vendors take liability if your motor blows useing there setup? I have never heard of such a thing..
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Originally Posted by Nate@EVO
I would not recommend anyone just installing these turbos unless they have the ability to completely retune more than just air fuel and timing. This is the reason we have not sold these turbos without the rest of our tuned system. We have been asked many times to sell the turbos alone, but we have not because of the posible repercussions from someone installing them without proper associated components and properly tuned software. We spent over 6 months in 2003 tuning different turbo systems with these turbos and it is not as easy as it is being described.
This turbo is more than just a GT28 turbo. 4 years ago we worked with Tial to make a direct replacement turbo that was a "bolt-on" turbo to replace the OEM K16 or K24 turbo. A "GT28" turbo will not bolt on and will require special headers, exhaust, oil drain tanks, oil inlets, boost outlet adapters and air inlet modifications.
We have 4 years invested into the successful use and distribution of these turbos. They are not new except for the fact that our GEN 2 turbo will have a proprietary turbine housing which will eliminate the need to build this turbo from KKK turbine housings like we have had to do for the last 4 years. The new housing will eliminate any core exchange program that we have had in the past and make the whole process easier for our dealers and ultimately the end user.
I have not bashed vivid, I have just merely stated some facts regarding a product that they are offering that they may not have all of the information regarding the distribution. They may not be aware of this; however I am aware of the arrangement with Tial. Additionally, I am pointing out that this is not new technology as these are the same turbos we have used in our GT700 tuning systems since 2003. Peace
This turbo is more than just a GT28 turbo. 4 years ago we worked with Tial to make a direct replacement turbo that was a "bolt-on" turbo to replace the OEM K16 or K24 turbo. A "GT28" turbo will not bolt on and will require special headers, exhaust, oil drain tanks, oil inlets, boost outlet adapters and air inlet modifications.
We have 4 years invested into the successful use and distribution of these turbos. They are not new except for the fact that our GEN 2 turbo will have a proprietary turbine housing which will eliminate the need to build this turbo from KKK turbine housings like we have had to do for the last 4 years. The new housing will eliminate any core exchange program that we have had in the past and make the whole process easier for our dealers and ultimately the end user.
I have not bashed vivid, I have just merely stated some facts regarding a product that they are offering that they may not have all of the information regarding the distribution. They may not be aware of this; however I am aware of the arrangement with Tial. Additionally, I am pointing out that this is not new technology as these are the same turbos we have used in our GT700 tuning systems since 2003. Peace
Are you sure EVOMS has used TIAL GT28's since 2003? Did EVO use TIAL on Stage 1,2,3 or 4? I thought Buddy's Stage 5 used TO4's. I thought his car was one of the first (and few) Stage 5's produced? Back then Buddy's car was pushing us power wise and we were using TIAL. I didn't realize the EVO GT series was around at that time. If the TIAL's were used after the Stage 5 then I don't believe it has been four years.
For some reason, I thought EVO was introduced to the TIAL turbo's at the shootout that Buddy brought his car to. I know EVO uses TIAL on the GT700, the four years just doesn't seem to be right. Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by Nate@EVO
I would not recommend anyone just installing these turbos unless they have the ability to completely retune more than just air fuel and timing. This is the reason we have not sold these turbos without the rest of our tuned system. We have been asked many times to sell the turbos alone, but we have not because of the posible repercussions from someone installing them without proper associated components and properly tuned software.
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Originally Posted by joetwint
Well actually yes,I have a "small" oil leak coming from somewhere on the top of my motor(I may have fixed it myself but will know when I run the car tomorrow)but if I didn't Evoms said they would send a tech to my door to fix it and make me happy so I can get to the track.Better customer support you don't get.I am sure the Proto customers would get the same treatment from Proto if they had a problem(In fact I know Mark has had plenty of track support fom Proto).I guess you get what you pay for.
Originally Posted by Fishey
A oil leak and blown motor are not even close to the same thing. If you melt a piston will they cover it? thats what I want to know..
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Agreed, no warranty on race motors. Met someone that paid for a fully built race motor in a Honda in time for some big race, the builder drove the car on the track, blew the motor, sent it back to the shop to get rebuilt again. Owner of the car had to pay twice and never even sat in the car