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running standalone would be fine on a track only car but tough to live with in a street car.
no traction control, no abs, and no OBDII stuff. plus i think all the other systems int he car would not function properly.
no traction control, no abs, and no OBDII stuff. plus i think all the other systems int he car would not function properly.
Originally Posted by Fishey
6. What to do about tuning? Easy, Delete the factory crap and go standalone of your choice. I personally love useing haltech as its cheap and has every function I will ever need also a retune is as easy as booting my labtop. This isn't for everyone because there are problems to overcome and if you have a tiptronic you might as well forget it. The best solution for you guys is NIRA that cost around $1840. You could also try civinco but I am not very experianced with it.
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
Ok is there a site for this standalone. has anyone swuccessfully tuned a P car with it?
Running standalone on an EVO or Supra is one thing but those cars don't have PSM and are nowhere near as complex as the Bosch Motronic 7.8... If it existed, I'm sure Todd K and/or Garrett would have used it by now
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Fishey,
I just read all your previous responses for this post........ and I cannot find anywhere that you actually state that you have any Porsche tuning experience.
So we all can possibly continue this discussion..........how many 930/965/993/996/997 turbo engines have you modified.....for the street?
I see both Alex and Nate have given input and we all know their reputations, as well as some other regulars................so I'm just looking for some validity in your statements.
Don't get me wrong.....you have some very interesting insight. Everyone here is a "car guy"(whatever that means), I just believe this board should be used to share experiences. These cars are not your run of the mill chevy or toyota. To drasticlly improve on the factory engineering is no small feat and by no means cheap. So if you have tuned these cars before........great, show us some of your work! If not....well then you know!
-z
I just read all your previous responses for this post........ and I cannot find anywhere that you actually state that you have any Porsche tuning experience.
So we all can possibly continue this discussion..........how many 930/965/993/996/997 turbo engines have you modified.....for the street?
I see both Alex and Nate have given input and we all know their reputations, as well as some other regulars................so I'm just looking for some validity in your statements.
Don't get me wrong.....you have some very interesting insight. Everyone here is a "car guy"(whatever that means), I just believe this board should be used to share experiences. These cars are not your run of the mill chevy or toyota. To drasticlly improve on the factory engineering is no small feat and by no means cheap. So if you have tuned these cars before........great, show us some of your work! If not....well then you know!
-z
Originally Posted by Fishey
Sure, but keep in mind my advice is only for true car guys not for the people who simply throw money at a problem. Now, Obviously this is what I have done in the past to make HP without spending money. The major drawback is you need to be able to do your own work and live with a loud car. I know alot of people will talk about silicon pipes,intake system and whatever else but the truth is these boltons really are not the big power producers. There is also a reason I posted in this thread because I see vivid has given a helping hand to people in getting started with these turbos.
1. GT28 Turbo's
2. Oil Parts to make turbos work
3. BlownSix Intercoolers (Arguee endtanks all you want they are $1000 cheaper)
4. Fuel Injectors
5. Strait exhaust 4" off turbos (No Cats) but a burnsstainless muffler (PN SM-400-550-6 on each pipe (Total Cost is around $700 vs $3400 and HP is actually higher) Here is how you route them http://www.fabspeed.com/images/gallery8.jpg (thanks Fabspeed for the pic)
6. What to do about tuning? Easy, Delete the factory crap and go standalone of your choice. I personally love useing haltech as its cheap and has every function I will ever need also a retune is as easy as booting my labtop. This isn't for everyone because there are problems to overcome and if you have a tiptronic you might as well forget it. The best solution for you guys is NIRA that cost around $1840. You could also try civinco but I am not very experianced with it.
7. You can street tune yourself as well with a wideband. I suggest staying away from the bosch sensor if you plan on running leaded race fuels as they tend to fail quicker but other then that they are cheap and reliable.
8. (NOTE FOR NON-CAR GUYS!) Do you wonder well thats great but I am not car savy how can I save a crap load of money to get some decent hp? Easy, piece it togeather yourself and while you will still spend money it will be alot less. As for install of parts I would leave it to someone that has experiance. The tuning can be done by other chip companies that can do custom tuning and some might even have what your looking for (I know almost everyone has a nice K24+boltons map)
9. There is no need for CBV's to make HP if your on a budget. CBV's on the 996 are good for far past what the motor will produce before it explodes
1. GT28 Turbo's
2. Oil Parts to make turbos work
3. BlownSix Intercoolers (Arguee endtanks all you want they are $1000 cheaper)
4. Fuel Injectors
5. Strait exhaust 4" off turbos (No Cats) but a burnsstainless muffler (PN SM-400-550-6 on each pipe (Total Cost is around $700 vs $3400 and HP is actually higher) Here is how you route them http://www.fabspeed.com/images/gallery8.jpg (thanks Fabspeed for the pic)
6. What to do about tuning? Easy, Delete the factory crap and go standalone of your choice. I personally love useing haltech as its cheap and has every function I will ever need also a retune is as easy as booting my labtop. This isn't for everyone because there are problems to overcome and if you have a tiptronic you might as well forget it. The best solution for you guys is NIRA that cost around $1840. You could also try civinco but I am not very experianced with it.
7. You can street tune yourself as well with a wideband. I suggest staying away from the bosch sensor if you plan on running leaded race fuels as they tend to fail quicker but other then that they are cheap and reliable.
8. (NOTE FOR NON-CAR GUYS!) Do you wonder well thats great but I am not car savy how can I save a crap load of money to get some decent hp? Easy, piece it togeather yourself and while you will still spend money it will be alot less. As for install of parts I would leave it to someone that has experiance. The tuning can be done by other chip companies that can do custom tuning and some might even have what your looking for (I know almost everyone has a nice K24+boltons map)
9. There is no need for CBV's to make HP if your on a budget. CBV's on the 996 are good for far past what the motor will produce before it explodes
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I agree with this to a point. You can fab up intercoolers and plumbing, along with headers and exhaust yourself for relatively little money. You can even throw on turbos and a big fuel pump and FPR for not much more. But the fact remains that when it comes to the tuning, you can't just slap on a VPC or F-CON and dial in your AFR and timing. You need the tuners who have put money into R&D to make it all work right.
Like someone said earlier, you'd sleep a lot better at night doing this and experimenting with trial and error to a $20k Evo/DSM than to a $100k Porsche. It's just not the same thing. You can rebuild one of those motors in your garage without too much trouble (trust me, I know). What are you going to do when you blow up a TT?
I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty pissed. The extra $$$ is in the insurance that the off the shelf kits are tried and true. I haven't heard of one going south yet when used as designed...
Like someone said earlier, you'd sleep a lot better at night doing this and experimenting with trial and error to a $20k Evo/DSM than to a $100k Porsche. It's just not the same thing. You can rebuild one of those motors in your garage without too much trouble (trust me, I know). What are you going to do when you blow up a TT?
I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty pissed. The extra $$$ is in the insurance that the off the shelf kits are tried and true. I haven't heard of one going south yet when used as designed...
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Fishy, I built my previous 930 to 3.6+Motec, it was an animal! But the 996 is a different ball game! Most (996) guy's prefer to keep the Motronics in place. These cars have way to many things going on, the 930 only had the engine which is perfect for a stand alone unit! But I do feel there is a Porsche tax 
. Look, you just cant pay 75-100K for a car & expect to get it tuned for 500 small, it's not going to happen if you want it right! Keep in mind if you get a stand alone unit it may take days of data logging before it's dialed in
. A good tuner may get 2-3 K for his time spent+the unit! thats just the way it is! You wanna play! you gotta pay 
.....tom
. Look, you just cant pay 75-100K for a car & expect to get it tuned for 500 small, it's not going to happen if you want it right! Keep in mind if you get a stand alone unit it may take days of data logging before it's dialed in . A good tuner may get 2-3 K for his time spent+the unit! thats just the way it is! You wanna play! you gotta pay .....tom
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Originally Posted by zona
Fishey,
I just read all your previous responses for this post........ and I cannot find anywhere that you actually state that you have any Porsche tuning experience.
So we all can possibly continue this discussion..........how many 930/965/993/996/997 turbo engines have you modified.....for the street?
I see both Alex and Nate have given input and we all know their reputations, as well as some other regulars................so I'm just looking for some validity in your statements.
Don't get me wrong.....you have some very interesting insight. Everyone here is a "car guy"(whatever that means), I just believe this board should be used to share experiences. These cars are not your run of the mill chevy or toyota. To drasticlly improve on the factory engineering is no small feat and by no means cheap. So if you have tuned these cars before........great, show us some of your work! If not....well then you know!
-z
I just read all your previous responses for this post........ and I cannot find anywhere that you actually state that you have any Porsche tuning experience.
So we all can possibly continue this discussion..........how many 930/965/993/996/997 turbo engines have you modified.....for the street?
I see both Alex and Nate have given input and we all know their reputations, as well as some other regulars................so I'm just looking for some validity in your statements.
Don't get me wrong.....you have some very interesting insight. Everyone here is a "car guy"(whatever that means), I just believe this board should be used to share experiences. These cars are not your run of the mill chevy or toyota. To drasticlly improve on the factory engineering is no small feat and by no means cheap. So if you have tuned these cars before........great, show us some of your work! If not....well then you know!
-z
2. I have seen work from some big name shops I am not impressed. If you want some details on my latest adventure in fixing others mistakes feel free to PM me. I would rather keep it off the forum as some details are sketchy and I don't want it to be taken the wrong way.
3. As far as my experiance with Porsches it dates back to when I was very little but the past few years I have been working at a Porsche Shop but most of the greatest projects are undertaken at my home shop. My experiance deals mostly with racecars but also a great deal of street cars as well. My personal streetcars are far more radical then my race car as racing class limitations are pretty strict. Today when I was at the shop I took some pics of projects I am working on.
3.4/twinplug/cams/high compression/ITB's/Standalone
3.6LTT (aka The Dumbest Setup Ever)
930 Turbo Motor just useing it for mockup with 993 N/A Header upgrade (So cheap so good)
Another Turbo just a bypass pipe install (nothing like a clogged Cat)
(I apparently cannot post another picture? Dunno why)
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ok well im not trying to be a jerk but there are many TUNERS out there that can tune the Bosch motronic 7.8 besides Protomotive and GIAC per say. I know of two people in my are (north east) that have the tuning ability and wont charge an arm and a leg to tune the car. Haltech will screw to much with the car. I have seen motec work with the addition of new dash meters. But proto is not the only person out there that can tune a bosch motronic custom program just keep that in mind.
Suman
might be a little off topic but I just want people aware this goes back to the idea of the expensive costs from the two top 996tt modders. There are many people out there that can tune a home brew setup.
Suman
might be a little off topic but I just want people aware this goes back to the idea of the expensive costs from the two top 996tt modders. There are many people out there that can tune a home brew setup.
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Originally Posted by Highhats
ok well im not trying to be a jerk but there are many TUNERS out there that can tune the Bosch motronic 7.8 besides Protomotive and GIAC per say. I know of two people in my are (north east) that have the tuning ability and wont charge an arm and a leg to tune the car. Haltech will screw to much with the car. I have seen motec work with the addition of new dash meters. But proto is not the only person out there that can tune a bosch motronic custom program just keep that in mind.
Suman
might be a little off topic but I just want people aware this goes back to the idea of the expensive costs from the two top 996tt modders. There are many people out there that can tune a home brew setup.
Suman
might be a little off topic but I just want people aware this goes back to the idea of the expensive costs from the two top 996tt modders. There are many people out there that can tune a home brew setup.
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Originally Posted by Fishey
You think the tuning is that much diffrent? Do vendors take liability if your motor blows useing there setup? I have never heard of such a thing..
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Originally Posted by Fishey
I have to say that 99.9% of the people with these cars have any idea on how to properly moddify a car. Most everyone on this board fixes the problem with tons of money. The tuners that do know what they are talking about at some level have a 500% markup but thats fine because people pay it. Honestly this community should hide in a shadow and cry for forgivness from any car enthusiest for the money wasted. Just take a look at the top 1/4 and trapspeed thread it is a joke. Its not even like your working with a motor that is hard to get power from.
Not really hard to get power out of these motor's? May I ask from which year you are making your perspective from?
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Originally Posted by Fishey
I agree the law of diminishing returns is a huge factor but that doesn't start untill atleast IMHO you need to open the case. I mean for the love of all car enthusiest these people charge $2000 for a ECU chip! It doesn't even come with a free hooker! 
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Originally Posted by Fishey
I agree there are plenty of other chip tuners out there and even alot in places you wouldn't think. I just threw haltech out as an example but there are plenty of other standalones and I agree it does screw with things but its very doable. I thought about looking into writing a megasquirt setup to work with the 996TT computers and such but the idea of the programing ontop of work at home and shop + LIFE seems rather depressing.
I would be more than happy to present some issues for them to provide a solution. And no easy way out allowed, you must use the 996tt ECU and stay legal for the road.
