Protomotive k24/18g 600hp dynoed 595rwhp
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Cheers, Kevin
Originally Posted by KPG
Mike, you seem like a decent guy and I really dont want to argue with you, but the question still remains. Just because you havent seen it on your dyno....does that mean it is impossible? The reason I ask is I have dyno sheets, trap speeds and 60-130 times that show otherwise. To date I have yet to see any straight K24 post better times than mine....So, I guess I am just calling it as I see it Cheers, Kevin
I have yet to see an apples to apples comparison. The examples you tried to pass off in the previous thread were bogus if you ask me.
I want to see the same car with the same software.
Could we make more power with a K24 by running more boost? Sure, but then we are out of the efficiency range of the turbo and running the risk of failure. Not worth the risk.
How about this. Instead of waiving around time slips and 60-130 times, how about explaining it from an engineering standpoint.
Without giving away the farm, educate me on why your 16/24 hybrids are a better option than a straight K24. How does it all work?
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They dyno day will be held HERE HERE.Originally Posted by roadsterdoc
Hear!Hear! Or is it "Here!Here!?"
You will be able to HEAR HEAR the sound for miles.
Either way, you got it covered.
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I want to see the same car with the same software.
Could we make more power with a K24 by running more boost? Sure, but then we are out of the efficiency range of the turbo and running the risk of failure. Not worth the risk.
How about this. Instead of waiving around time slips and 60-130 times, how about explaining it from an engineering standpoint.
Without giving away the farm, educate me on why your 16/24 hybrids are a better option than a straight K24. How does it all work?
Mike, you said no 16/24 hybrid can make 500whp...I made 512AWHP. It ran 128 in the 1/4 mile. 7.93 60-130.Show me just 1 example of any car running this fast with a straight 24. End of story. In an apples to apples comparison on your software, I would imagine mine would not run as well as yours for the simple fact you do not have specific hybrid software and use canned K24 software. Originally Posted by Mike/A.W.E.
I have yet to see an apples to apples comparison. The examples you tried to pass off in the previous thread were bogus if you ask me.I want to see the same car with the same software.
Could we make more power with a K24 by running more boost? Sure, but then we are out of the efficiency range of the turbo and running the risk of failure. Not worth the risk.
How about this. Instead of waiving around time slips and 60-130 times, how about explaining it from an engineering standpoint.
Without giving away the farm, educate me on why your 16/24 hybrids are a better option than a straight K24. How does it all work?
To the OP..sorry for the hijack and congrats on a great run. Mike if you want to start a new thread or take it private I would be more than happy to "educate" you...lol...Kevin
2 board members ran their cars last week here in chicago.... one with stage 2 ZC and one with k24/18gs.... the k24/18gs seemed to have a little more during the runs... but then the stage 2 ZC car had flowed plugs ...
They seemed both very strong....
marksksi
They seemed both very strong....
marksksi
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they both ran pump files.... also, I dont agree with ur statement that the simple k24/18g with a 5 bar FPR without custom ICs, MAF, and intake plenum does 590 to the wheels. on the contrary its a 500 to 530 rwhp set up at 1.3 bars and that's whats its marketed as... one cannot safely pull 590 to the wheels on a stock fuel system. Even though it was done here I would never tell anyone that this is a 590 rwhp set up.Originally Posted by geetee
Isnt the stage 2zc about 510hp and k24/18gs about 590hp at the wheels?
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There's a AWD Dynojet only 86 miles away from you, bro:Originally Posted by JWC
Awsome numbers! One day I will get mine on a dyno; if I can find one here in central Virginia.
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In our business, that can get you in trouble.
Not all of our clients are as savy as some of the guys on 6speed. They may not know what can and can't be done.
They are not under the hood of their car every weekend. They don't know what afr, egt, maf, map, mbc, duty cycle, open/closed loop mean....
Most of our clients want a bolt on kit that they never have to worry about. They just want to put gas in it and go.
Plus, RCNJ is not 18 years old. He is an intelligent and informed car enthusiast. Yet he still, in my humble opinion, risked hurting his motor by running too much boost.
Hell, I don't want readers to think that I'm anti-horsepower. I just have strong opinions on how to develop a kit that is user friendly to a mass market.
I also get worked up when reading unsubstantiated hype. Hence my comments about some of the hybrids.
Mike,Originally Posted by Mike/A.W.E.
That's just it, Markski.In our business, that can get you in trouble.
Not all of our clients are as savy as some of the guys on 6speed. They may not know what can and can't be done.
They are not under the hood of their car every weekend. They don't know what afr, egt, maf, map, mbc, duty cycle, open/closed loop mean....
Most of our clients want a bolt on kit that they never have to worry about. They just want to put gas in it and go.
Plus, RCNJ is not 18 years old. He is an intelligent and informed car enthusiast. Yet he still, in my humble opinion, risked hurting his motor by running too much boost.
Hell, I don't want readers to think that I'm anti-horsepower. I just have strong opinions on how to develop a kit that is user friendly to a mass market.
I also get worked up when reading unsubstantiated hype. Hence my comments about some of the hybrids.
I think you misunderstood what happened that day. I never run my car @ 1.43 bar. My package was tuned to run 1.2 @ 93 octane and 1.3 @ 100 octane. But, this was setup during the winter in colder climate and as you know that day it was 80 degrees. So , on my way to your shop I realized that the car was only putting out 1.1 on low and 1.2 on high. So then I took the liberty of cranking up both settings to achieve my normal boost levels and as you saw I over did it. I would say the realistic hp for my setup was the first run where I made 556hp @1.3 and the afr's were perfect.
Hey look, yah have an avatar!
So when the car was dynoed, HOW was the boost monitered??
Why did Mike (AWE--very experienced, no doubght) think it was boosting
so high? I just want to understand.
MK
My K24/18G set up I believe will be the only one like it: larger TB, along
with all the other goodies and yes I am fearful of high boost, won't do it!
MK
Why did Mike (AWE--very experienced, no doubght) think it was boosting
so high? I just want to understand.
MK
My K24/18G set up I believe will be the only one like it: larger TB, along
with all the other goodies and yes I am fearful of high boost, won't do it!
MK
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I think you misunderstood what happened that day. I never run my car @ 1.43 bar. My package was tuned to run 1.2 @ 93 octane and 1.3 @ 100 octane. But, this was setup during the winter in colder climate and as you know that day it was 80 degrees. So , on my way to your shop I realized that the car was only putting out 1.1 on low and 1.2 on high. So then I took the liberty of cranking up both settings to achieve my normal boost levels and as you saw I over did it. I would say the realistic hp for my setup was the first run where I made 556hp @1.3 and the afr's were perfect.
That explains it... same here.. I sometimes make minor adjustments based on the temps.Originally Posted by RCNJ
Mike,I think you misunderstood what happened that day. I never run my car @ 1.43 bar. My package was tuned to run 1.2 @ 93 octane and 1.3 @ 100 octane. But, this was setup during the winter in colder climate and as you know that day it was 80 degrees. So , on my way to your shop I realized that the car was only putting out 1.1 on low and 1.2 on high. So then I took the liberty of cranking up both settings to achieve my normal boost levels and as you saw I over did it. I would say the realistic hp for my setup was the first run where I made 556hp @1.3 and the afr's were perfect.
markski
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Why did Mike (AWE--very experienced, no doubght) think it was boosting
so high? I just want to understand.
MK
My K24/18G set up I believe will be the only one like it: larger TB, along
with all the other goodies and yes I am fearful of high boost, won't do it!
MK
Well, on the second run where I made 595 rwhp @ 1.43 bar the afr's were a little steep 13-13.2Originally Posted by WOODTSTER
So when the car was dynoed, HOW was the boost monitered??Why did Mike (AWE--very experienced, no doubght) think it was boosting
so high? I just want to understand.
MK
My K24/18G set up I believe will be the only one like it: larger TB, along
with all the other goodies and yes I am fearful of high boost, won't do it!
MK
I think the afr's is what concerned him at this point. But like I stated before this was my doing by over cranking the boost while I was running on the way to AWE trying to set high boost setting to 1.3. If you look at my first run the car made 556 rwhp @ 1.3 with afr's around 12.5 which is normal and is where this setup is recommended to run according to Protomotive with 100 octane or higher.
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Nope, at least Robmd99's GT700 did not...and he bought the whole enchilada including the Hitachi MAF.Originally Posted by John D II
I thought all the 700's got larger TB?