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Old Mar 18, 2008 | 11:53 AM
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Yes. It made 700 awhp fluctuating between 1.25 to 1.30 as RPMs rose. Never went above 1.30. (19 psi). This number was on a dynopak which sometimes reads numbers higher than a dynojet - but some argue different.

Anyhow to answer your other question about comparing my M6 against my 997TT in a acceleration run:

My M6 had a very similar setup to your brother's car.

Heres the difference:
[Video] My Modded M6 against stock C6 ZO6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_QpKNozKN0
This race started at 45 mph. You can hear the voice of the guy who is holding the video camera call out "160!" mph once the ZO6 finishes 4th.
The M6 at this point is 3 cars ahead maybe traveling at 165. So basically 45-160ish took 20 seconds. Look at the time clock on youtube as the video plays.

[Video] Cammed ZO6 vs. My Modded 997TT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKxqevyqJE4
This race also started at 45 mph. We can guage when the Vette lets off the gas at the end of 4th his car is traveling 160 mph. My car at this time may be at 165. The timer clock on you tube shows 45-160ish in 12 seconds.

With this said, my Modded M6 against my Modded 997TT wouldnt be much of a race at any speed.

The best way to guage how my M6 would do against my Porsche "visually" would be to run a bone stock ZO6 since the M6 accelerates almost in line with Z till 160.

I should have this video done within a few weeks and posted just as a bench mark for comparison purposes.
 

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Keitha,
why don't you record the dash for us as ur shifting thru the gears... I would like to hear it and actually look at your boost gauge- if u have one... something just doesn't add up...
What does Todd let you the problem is? He is the tuner... I doubt any of us would know where to start by giving you honest opinions.... we do not have a a set up like yours....
I have a similar set up on the 996TT and never had a problem like that...
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Great vids. Both of these cars are the pinnacle of street cars in my opinion. Such a cool race. Thanks for posting!
 
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Nice runs Keith, when your car was on my lift and I saw the t3 housing's I was afraid that your car would have lag problems, not sure why he didn’t go with t25's with .64's I think that would have helped out your power band, I am going down to Miami in a couple of weeks to run some Mia guys. What DV's are in your car? I have Diaphragm-Based Valve’s that are much faster then piston type's. If you think that’s your problem let me know.

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Originally Posted by yrralis1
Interesting run --I have some questions :

1) What was the climate ? I see you are from nearby and this weekend was very hot and particularly humid .I find that the Turbos peform best on a crisp cool days with low humidity.

2) The Nitrous Vette --IMO that's cheating . Did you run the vette without it?
now thats some funny ****... all cars perform better given the air quality and you think a Vette should run all motor or they are cheating but a TT porsche is a fair race.. LOL
 
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now thats some funny ****... all cars perform better given the air quality and you think a Vette should run all motor or they are cheating but a TT porsche is a fair race.. LOL
Laugh as you wish but Turbo's and high humidity (IE the 90 degree soup weather) can not be compared to a NA engine in the same . Gasoline is a constant we can disect the amount or ocatne levels if you so choose . A car can run a lot longer on gasoline than a shot of Nitrous too yet lumping the two into a straw man argument proves nothing .

If split second winning is all that matters --the Vette won that moment in time .

At least I'll point to the topic and won't deflect on (paraphrasing) "humor".
 
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Also, that z06 is raping everyone down in miami.. I think i am going to have to go down there with my evo and give him a quick whipping..
 
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Originally Posted by mike@usp
Also, that z06 is raping everyone down in miami.. I think i am going to have to go down there with my evo and give him a quick whipping..
I think it would be a lot closer had the Turbo been shifter and or problem fixed...
If I lived closer I would come by too. It would be a good run on the highway.
One more thing, you really need some grad radials for some traction... I don't think Keith had any.... the vette did...
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
I think it would be a lot closer had the Turbo been shifter and or problem fixed...
If I lived closer I would come by too. It would be a good run on the highway.
One more thing, you really need some grad radials for some traction... I don't think Keith had any.... the vette did...

I highly doubt the porsche spun at all from that mph roll. my car hooks dead in 2nd on 800whp..
 
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I highly doubt the porsche spun at all from that mph roll. my car hooks dead in 2nd on 800whp..
Im not sure but if he is rwd ( something Proto does to most cars) then it would make a difference... just like the vettes are on drag radials.. obviously there is a reason for that....
street tires simply do not do the job.... and when one is up against higher HP cars with drag radials... no matter what anyone says.. you better be on DRs too...
I use my Vbox to show that spinning is present... the the Gs will go up and down... just like when one's clutch is not holding.. same thing... the Gs will go up and down...

He probably should take the car to someone that understands his set up... and have it check out.... hes like a half a second between shifts.... something doesnt add up.... i hope its not the ECu freaking out...
here is a similar setup except on a 996TT...

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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
Im not sure but if he is rwd ( something Proto does to most cars) then it would make a difference... just like the vettes are on drag radials.. obviously there is a reason for that....
street tires simply do not do the job.... and when one is up against higher HP cars with drag radials... no matter what anyone says.. you better be on DRs too...
I use my Vbox to show that spinning is present... the the Gs will go up and down... just like when one's clutch is not holding.. same thing... the Gs will go up and down...

He probably should take the car to someone that understands his set up... and have it check out.... hes like a half a second between shifts.... something doesnt add up.... i hope its not the ECu freaking out...
here is a similar setup except on a 996TT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCXtYudo9jM
the car is AWD so no matter what tires he is on it wont change the outcome of that race.. The tires he is on are fine for the HP he has and the speeds he is rolling..
 
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Originally Posted by mike@usp
the car is AWD so no matter what tires he is on it wont change the outcome of that race.. The tires he is on are fine for the HP he has and the speeds he is rolling..
I didnt know... in that case he needs to get the problem checked out... I doubt its something with DVs.... Im guessing the ECU if anything....
Maybe someone that runs high HP cars should get in it and just from experience feel the car and see what is going on.... If its not the hardware then its the ecu....
I wonder if its doing it as well between shifts with just running low boost?
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
I didnt know... in that case he needs to get the problem checked out... I doubt its something with DVs.... Im guessing the ECU if anything....
Maybe someone that runs high HP cars should get in it and just from experience feel the car and see what is going on.... If its not the hardware then its the ecu....
I wonder if its doing it as well between shifts with just running low boost?
my guess would be software related.. i am not sure who works on the car locally if anyone..
 
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
Interesting run --I have some questions :

1) What was the climate ? I see you are from nearby and this weekend was very hot and particularly humid .I find that the Turbos peform best on a crisp cool days with low humidity.

2) The Nitrous Vette --IMO that's cheating . Did you run the vette without it?
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Originally Posted by mike@usp
my guess would be software related.. i am not sure who works on the car locally if anyone..
If he is close to you and or Titan.. someone who knows tial external Wgs.. garrets turbos, etc... basic stuff... see what the car is doing...
another pair of professional eyes may sometimes do wonders instead of speculating on a forum for 2 months with guys who don't even know the set up...
I would run the car on WG spring alone... see what it does... then increase the boost slowly and see if it comes back at a certain point or if its there from the start. Gt30rs are not laggy on a 3.6 L motor... like some suggested... something does not make sense... maybe a massive boost leak...
 
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