Pics & Review of My Bilstein PSS10 Lowered Red Turbo
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Sorry, what I really meant is Lucent would advise me to NOT push the car to its (and more importantly, my) limit until I have time to acclimate myself to the change in alignment setting.
For example, a front toe-out makes the steering response more sensitive (twitchy) at first. In other words, the car wants to turn once a turn is initiated, and turns more for the same degree of steering input. If you are new and therefore misjudge the steering response while driving 10/10 into a corner, the result may not be pretty.
Changes like more neg. camber and toe out reduce understeer, or increase oversteer. As such you just have to take it easy at first. Once you are used to it, you'll find yourself going through the same corners faster than before and the car again feels like an extension of yourself.
BTW, one way I test is to drive through 2, 3 familiar corners over and over and feel the car's behavior and check my max speed. I have 2 curves from the way home to work, one around 40 mph the other a combination left right at ... mph, that I get to test every day, day in and day out. I love it.
For example, a front toe-out makes the steering response more sensitive (twitchy) at first. In other words, the car wants to turn once a turn is initiated, and turns more for the same degree of steering input. If you are new and therefore misjudge the steering response while driving 10/10 into a corner, the result may not be pretty.
Changes like more neg. camber and toe out reduce understeer, or increase oversteer. As such you just have to take it easy at first. Once you are used to it, you'll find yourself going through the same corners faster than before and the car again feels like an extension of yourself.
BTW, one way I test is to drive through 2, 3 familiar corners over and over and feel the car's behavior and check my max speed. I have 2 curves from the way home to work, one around 40 mph the other a combination left right at ... mph, that I get to test every day, day in and day out. I love it.
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LOL - I know. HRE P40 too - just thinking of all the pictures I've posted. Both deserving though. The stock Turbo is so soft and ponderous that without the Bilstein, I would have sold it. I had even placed a call to the Porsche dealer about trading it in. Now... I am in heaven.
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1. Change to Bilstein/Techart coilover. Keep stock alignment settings and drive for two months.
2. Change front camber to minus 1.2 degree. Drive for two months.
3. Change front toe setting to minus 2 minute -- you are now going from front toe in to front toe out, making steering very sensitive. (Do NOT push car to its limit for first 2-3 weeks after this alignment change. Give yourself some time to get acquainted with a front toe out setting.) Drive for 2 months.
Aimed with what you feel from 1-2-3 above, now experiment on your own to find out what works best for you, with the help of an experienced Porsche tuner. For example the next thing to experiment with might be more negative REAR camber.
The table below (courtesy Alex/rennteam) is a small sample of what people have done to their alignment settings, versus the stock settings in the third column. Look complicated but you only need to pay attention, at this point anyway, to 3 parameters: front camber, front toe, and rear camber. Keep in mind there are disadvantage and advantage trade-offs to every step, meaning MODERATE changes more often than not are the best solution.
Sorry for the late reply and hope this helps.
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In my table above 'Shavster' runs the EVO700 kit on his Turbo.
He runs so much 'toe in' (+ve toe) because he found it hard keeping in the power down. When you accelerate the wheels naturally 'toe out', so the more force the more towards -ve toe you go.
This was set during colder months though so he's also running less -ve cambers than he would do normally.
He runs so much 'toe in' (+ve toe) because he found it hard keeping in the power down. When you accelerate the wheels naturally 'toe out', so the more force the more towards -ve toe you go.
This was set during colder months though so he's also running less -ve cambers than he would do normally.
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Frankly the TT handles like crap without suspension mods. I was unimpressed with it until I swapped some stuff out and got the right alignment performed, its a must do to enjoy this car, at the very least get a good alignment from a reputable shop who knows what they are doing if you dont want to lower the car etc.
