Pics & Review of My Bilstein PSS10 Lowered Red Turbo
#751
I did as suggested. Removed the TechArt Main and helper springs from the front. Installed 6" long (ID 70mm) SWIFT Springs (336 ld.ft)(SWI Z70-152-060) and retained the nose lift of TechArt.
In the rears, removed the TechArt main spring and replaced with Swift Springs (Z70-203-100) (10 kgf/mm, 560 lbs/inch). Retained the Helper springs.
Replaced all top mounts with TARETT mounts. Then aligned the car. Front and back camber set to -1.5.
This set up has raised the car height to clear 95% of the speed bumps in and around town. I use the the "nose lift" function only and only for the "car-breaker" bumps.
Took it for a long ride of about 400 kms which included long straights and few twists. The ride is much more comfortable. but not at the cost of handling. Straight line high speed stability is very good (except a little floaty feeling beyond 200 kmph). long turns are also handled with great confidence. Did not have sharp turns and/or chicanes to push the car... BUT ALL IN ALL.. a true bulletproof supercar... have ordered the TARETT drop links.. will wait to install and then corner balance.. and post again after another long drive...till then, cheers.. and drive safe....
In the rears, removed the TechArt main spring and replaced with Swift Springs (Z70-203-100) (10 kgf/mm, 560 lbs/inch). Retained the Helper springs.
Replaced all top mounts with TARETT mounts. Then aligned the car. Front and back camber set to -1.5.
This set up has raised the car height to clear 95% of the speed bumps in and around town. I use the the "nose lift" function only and only for the "car-breaker" bumps.
Took it for a long ride of about 400 kms which included long straights and few twists. The ride is much more comfortable. but not at the cost of handling. Straight line high speed stability is very good (except a little floaty feeling beyond 200 kmph). long turns are also handled with great confidence. Did not have sharp turns and/or chicanes to push the car... BUT ALL IN ALL.. a true bulletproof supercar... have ordered the TARETT drop links.. will wait to install and then corner balance.. and post again after another long drive...till then, cheers.. and drive safe....
The springs are so cheap I would suggest you stock up on the next level up for both springs: front spring rate around 400 and rear spring rate around 600 or so. Just in case you want to try and experiment later on.
Yes I missed my car too when I don't drive it - no plan whatsoever to upgrade once suspension has been "corrected." Cheers.
#752
thanks and cheers
Congrats and very glad to hear that it seems to have worked out well! All that writing on this thread and I think you are finally the first person to try.
The springs are so cheap I would suggest you stock up on the next level up for both springs: front spring rate around 400 and rear spring rate around 600 or so. Just in case you want to try and experiment later on.
Yes I missed my car too when I don't drive it - no plan whatsoever to upgrade once suspension has been "corrected." Cheers.
The springs are so cheap I would suggest you stock up on the next level up for both springs: front spring rate around 400 and rear spring rate around 600 or so. Just in case you want to try and experiment later on.
Yes I missed my car too when I don't drive it - no plan whatsoever to upgrade once suspension has been "corrected." Cheers.
I propose to tinker around with the DSC box via the software and see what suits me best. The idea being to set the "normal" mode to best city ride, and the "Sport" mode to spirited highway and twisty road runs. I will explore the DSC box's tuning capabilities...
Cheers.. drive safe..
#753
I have installed the front and rear RSS adjustable components and the ER adjustable thrust control arms. I am running a -2.0 rear camber and -2.0 front camber. However this setup makes a lot of noise in the city when driving on concrete/cobbled/paver surfaced roads. It is very irritating to say the least. Is it possible to attain the same alignment set up if I change the Rear Upper control arms (dog bones) to stock and retain the adjustable RSS lower arm and the ER thrust arms? If not, then what is the best (read max) negative camber can I achieve wit the stock dog bones set up. The idea being to get rid of noise when driving in the city and on concrete/cobbled/paver roads.
#754
I have installed the front and rear RSS adjustable components and the ER adjustable thrust control arms. I am running a -2.0 rear camber and -2.0 front camber. However this setup makes a lot of noise in the city when driving on concrete/cobbled/paver surfaced roads. It is very irritating to say the least. Is it possible to attain the same alignment set up if I change the Rear Upper control arms (dog bones) to stock and retain the adjustable RSS lower arm and the ER thrust arms? If not, then what is the best (read max) negative camber can I achieve wit the stock dog bones set up. The idea being to get rid of noise when driving in the city and on concrete/cobbled/paver roads.
Hate to say it but you bought the wrong parts. It's way way better to use the Porsche Motorsport stuff... there are a lot of versions as well. You should contact Tom @ TPC Racing, he knows all the intricate details on which parts you need, etc.
I have all the arms changed + Tractive full coilovers and there is no noise except SOMETIMES from the swaybar endlinks.
#755
Hi changster, you mean that the Porsche Motorstuff components will NOT be noisy and will also help achieve the alignment setup that i want...
How long would these last? as good as the RSS? or better? any idea what would be the cost? Thanks for the response...
How long would these last? as good as the RSS? or better? any idea what would be the cost? Thanks for the response...
#756
The Porsche Motortsport stuff is top notch. All uses high quality German monoballs as opposed to the junk FK or Aurora bearing monoballs used on all the shiny aftermarket stuff. For street use, none of this makes sense. Stick with OEM parts..
#757
Second time through reading this monster. Great information covering a wide breadth of suspension topics.
My only contribution at this point would be if you have PSS9's then get the TPC DSC. There is just no comparison pre and post installation. Now on to sways & drop links, maybe solid pucks in the rear.
What I really need to figure out is where to find these alternate strut mounts that don't have their undersides resting directly on the springs of the coilovers. The spring pop is driving me nuts. Unfortunately the company that did the work for this gentleman (Atomic80 on Teamspeed) is out of business and a google search hasn't helped yet for a:
"pillowtop mount with ball bearing"
You can see it here:
https://teamspeed.com/forums/991-997...uspension.html
Post #2, about 3/4 the way down the post. If anyone recognizes these, I would be anxious to hear about them.
TIA,
Ed
My only contribution at this point would be if you have PSS9's then get the TPC DSC. There is just no comparison pre and post installation. Now on to sways & drop links, maybe solid pucks in the rear.
What I really need to figure out is where to find these alternate strut mounts that don't have their undersides resting directly on the springs of the coilovers. The spring pop is driving me nuts. Unfortunately the company that did the work for this gentleman (Atomic80 on Teamspeed) is out of business and a google search hasn't helped yet for a:
"pillowtop mount with ball bearing"
You can see it here:
https://teamspeed.com/forums/991-997...uspension.html
Post #2, about 3/4 the way down the post. If anyone recognizes these, I would be anxious to hear about them.
TIA,
Ed
#758
A bit late to the party, Particularly for Ed...
But if anyone is looking for these mounts (I've used this exact thread to spec my setup)
Performance Shock inc. have them available, as well as the spring mounts for the PSS10s.
I've also went one step more in adding thrust washers, Swift Springs make them, The kit you'll need is Swift PN#: 744303 (Spring Thrust Sheets Kit 70mm 2.75")
I've been running this setup for 2-3 years, no sign of coil binding, It Works Great!
...No involvement with any vendor listed...
Cheers!
But if anyone is looking for these mounts (I've used this exact thread to spec my setup)
Performance Shock inc. have them available, as well as the spring mounts for the PSS10s.
I've also went one step more in adding thrust washers, Swift Springs make them, The kit you'll need is Swift PN#: 744303 (Spring Thrust Sheets Kit 70mm 2.75")
I've been running this setup for 2-3 years, no sign of coil binding, It Works Great!
...No involvement with any vendor listed...
Cheers!
#759
Cannga,
This is the best thread I've seen on our 997tt's suspension.
I ordered the damptronics, what spring rates are you running now? I saw your post on rennteam where you where running 556 from and rear, but you might have tweaked it since then?
I was thinking of doing 556 front and 670 in the rear. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
This is the best thread I've seen on our 997tt's suspension.
I ordered the damptronics, what spring rates are you running now? I saw your post on rennteam where you where running 556 from and rear, but you might have tweaked it since then?
I was thinking of doing 556 front and 670 in the rear. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
#761
Cannga,
This is the best thread I've seen on our 997tt's suspension.
I ordered the damptronics, what spring rates are you running now? I saw your post on rennteam where you where running 556 from and rear, but you might have tweaked it since then?
I was thinking of doing 556 front and 670 in the rear. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
This is the best thread I've seen on our 997tt's suspension.
I ordered the damptronics, what spring rates are you running now? I saw your post on rennteam where you where running 556 from and rear, but you might have tweaked it since then?
I was thinking of doing 556 front and 670 in the rear. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
I did try 556 front/556 rear, but that high front rate was way too stiff for me. Also I felt an equal front/rear rates in our Turbo causes severe understeer, so it was a short-lived experiment.
For reference (it's more, much more than just spring rates obviously), the 2019 Porsche 911 GT3 RS that Porsche factory driver Kevin Estre just ran 6:56.4 at the Nurburgring (lapped the new GT3 RS quicker than a 918 ) has spring rates
Front 570 lbs/in
Rear 915 lbs/in
Last edited by cannga; 07-23-2018 at 04:48 PM.
#763
Hey Chris, long time no see! What are you up to these days? Moved on or still with old Faithful Mezger Turbo?
#764
So I assume now this is the best combination along with the TPC DSC module?