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Old Jul 31, 2008 | 08:31 AM
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I have tried to help you as a fellow enthusiast with no secondary motives. You have repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of some very basic principles and then spin the whole issue into insinuations of deceit and fraud. Yes, you will not find the answer here and I doubt that you would recognize it even if it were branded onto your forehead.
 
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Originally Posted by Todd/AWE
Wow. Just wow.

Not only have we published dyno sheets and technical data backing up our claims, an independent user has done the same, and has also competed in a standing mile acceleration test.

Have you seen this thread from another forum?

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...&page=0#433719

Looks like we put our money where our mouth is.

And you are correct, it looks like European tuners can't figure out how to get to the 700hp level with VTG turbos, but the Americans have.

What more proof do you want?

I understand how this may be a tough concept to come to terms with if you are a die hard European tuner fan, but you cannot dispute the facts here.



I faaaak the german tuners, all made here in Poland, just electronic need.

Yes of course, you are right, ruf and all the rest will learn from you.

Why techart 630ps runs 10,8s on 1/4 mile dist?This is not real drag strip!!!
Look at the grip conditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llc3O...eature=related



and your 680 Hp car runs 11,2!!! what is the reason? driver, bad weather,better european conditions, no you will say that automat is faster!!!???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlVIEKRZqaY


That means european 630ps is much more faster than U.S 680Hp!!!!!
 
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Originally Posted by eclou
I have tried to help you as a fellow enthusiast with no secondary motives. You have repeatedly demonstrated a lack of understanding of some very basic principles and then spin the whole issue into insinuations of deceit and fraud. Yes, you will not find the answer here and I doubt that you would recognize it even if it were branded onto your forehead.
This is not attack, I just would like to know, how???
Thats all.
I ordered second turbo, why one of you visit me with the kit.
We will install it and than we will visit dyno, we can go to manthey or vgs, or both.
If the power will be at level of 700hp I will pay for the kit and for the flight and all the cost including good time here.(I have famous club in warsaw.)
ok?
 
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Karol logistically with the issues of driver's insurance in Europe there are very few of us who would ship a car to Europe. It would be more expedient for you to come to Texas for the Texas Mile and watch all the cars go head to head - Ruf, Proto, Evo, AWE. The Ruf cars are maintained by a private billionaire's racing team mechanics. His Rturbo was Alois' personal car.

Regarding sending a kit to Europe - I think that is a great idea (Mike? Todd?) but it would have to be in another car since the 700 kits here are engineered for the standard air/air intercooler configurations.

I will be sure to check out your cool car and club when I come to Warsaw
 
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Karol logistically with the issues of driver's insurance in Europe there are very few of us who would ship a car to Europe. It would be more expedient for you to come to Texas for the Texas Mile and watch all the cars go head to head - Ruf, Proto, Evo, AWE. The Ruf cars are maintained by a private billionaire's racing team mechanics. His Rturbo was Alois' personal car.

Regarding sending a kit to Europe - I think that is a great idea (Mike? Todd?) but it would have to be in another car since the 700 kits here are engineered for the standard air/air intercooler configurations.

I will be sure to check out your cool car and club when I come to Warsaw

I ordered second car, standard turbo, never touched yet!!!
So we have car.
 
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
I faaaak the german tuners, all made here in Poland, just electronic need.

Yes of course, you are right, ruf and all the rest will learn from you.

Why techart 630ps runs 10,8s on 1/4 mile dist?This is not real drag strip!!!
Look at the grip conditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llc3O...eature=related



and your 680 Hp car runs 11,2!!! what is the reason? driver, bad weather,better european conditions, no you will say that automat is faster!!!???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlVIEKRZqaY


That means european 630ps is much more faster than U.S 680Hp!!!!!

Or perhaps the two drag strips are calibrated to different standards.

The one we used is calibrated to NHRA standards. I highly doubt that the one in the other video is calibrated to such a strict standard.

Did you look at the chart in the link I sent you? Any comments on that one?

By the way, I have great respect for you crazy car tuning Poles. You know Ozz and VTG Tuning with their 9 second Audi S4? You guys are almost as crazy as the Swedes when it comes to radical car tuning.
 
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Originally Posted by Todd/AWE
Or perhaps the two drag strips are calibrated to different standards.

The one we used is calibrated to NHRA standards. I highly doubt that the one in the other video is calibrated to such a strict standard.

Did you look at the chart in the link I sent you? Any comments on that one?

By the way, I have great respect for you crazy car tuning Poles. You know Ozz and VTG Tuning with their 9 second Audi S4? You guys are almost as crazy as the Swedes when it comes to radical car tuning.

standards? so there will be same stary with the european ps and us hp

of course i know this guys, grzegorz is a friend I can say but the secound one is......I show him for the first time in his life how to start hard with his audi.



maybe you would like to see my lotus elise with over 500 european ps???
I called ap racing in england regarding bigger brakes, they ask for how much hp I need the brakes, than I kindly informed about my power and thay just said good luck we can't help you
 
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The Techart car turned 205kph in the 1/4 which is still slower than the 700 cars which run >210-215kph. The stock VTG cars were turning about the same trap speeds 200-205kph. I ran 210kph with the 700 kit despite a very soft 4.5 second 0-60 launch and a 30kph headwind





Trap speed is a better measure of HP than the ET. That Techart car BTW is totalled and the driver may have been killed or seriously injured (pics were posted here awhile ago)
 
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
Hey Champ

Your ppl cant even tune a Supra...a 900HP Supra ran 11's and ur 900ps ran 11's

U.S tuners 996tt with upgraded K24's 650hp ran high 10's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49RcL-Lbw28


I prefer that u ask ur tuner about that slow *** 910 PS Porsche 9ff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COUYIwIUPtQ


One more thing...Ben has Protomotive 700kit and he ran 11.02 @ 128.4 - Treynor on street tires and EVo700 ran 10.99@127.1

All ran's on NHRA dragstrip as Todd mentioned before not on kids dragstrip

Stop talking **** Mr-Big mouth!!!

All U.S tuners still stick on stock VTG's not ur 997 GT2's.......Can't understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Originally Posted by Shotcaller
Hey Champ

Your ppl cant even tune a Supra...a 900HP Supra ran 11's and ur 900ps ran 11's

U.S tuners 996tt with upgraded K24's 650hp ran high 10's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49RcL-Lbw28


I prefer that u ask ur tuner about that slow *** 910 PS Porsche 9ff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COUYIwIUPtQ


One more thing...Ben has Protomotive 700kit and he ran 11.02 @ 128.4 - Treynor on street tires and EVo700 ran 10.99@127.1

All ran's on NHRA dragstrip as Todd mentioned before not on kids dragstrip

Stop talking **** Mr-Big mouth!!!

All U.S tuners still stick on stock VTG's not ur 997 GT2's.......Can't understand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes sure......and you are 16 years old!

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Originally Posted by hugo
Are you kidding me? 6.0,6.2? - negligable,even more so for a cab
really the only way is to get one of these EVO AWE whatever, to test head on in Europe which strangely i have not seen so far
If u came to Finland or Russia...we can do that

I will test vs Techart 630 and 9FF 780 997 TT...so far Techart runned 11.34 on reg road in 1/4 trapping 130 and 9FF 11.01 trapping 132 or 133 with 9FF 780 car only start to pull away after 4th...
 
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
I faaaak the german tuners, all made here in Poland, just electronic need.

Yes of course, you are right, ruf and all the rest will learn from you.

Why techart 630ps runs 10,8s on 1/4 mile dist?This is not real drag strip!!!
Look at the grip conditions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llc3O...eature=related



and your 680 Hp car runs 11,2!!! what is the reason? driver, bad weather,better european conditions, no you will say that automat is faster!!!???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlVIEKRZqaY


That means european 630ps is much more faster than U.S 680Hp!!!!!
Here it runned 11.34 but we launched from 2000 rpms...

Stock 11.45...

9FF 780 PS - 11.01


All Tiptronic...You know who can do TCU for tipronic car in Europe ???
 


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