Originally Posted by Forgedwheeler (Post 2120781)

AMT has been a forged wheel manufacturer for more than a decade.
They supply many USA defense-oriented suppliers with wheels for military and aerospace applications. These are mission-critical projects like bomb disposal vehicles, armored vehicles and the like.
In addition, the company is the exclusive forged wheel supplier to Roush. Internationally, they supply Brabus, Gemballa, Kahn, Winchester, Overfinch and along list of the world's top tuners on a private-label basis.
This is their first AMT branded product and it is substantially less expensive than HRE and most of its competitors. The value proposition is underscored by the fact their product is comparable in weight to a carbon fiber wheel at half the price and with NONE of the problems.
And yes, I do work for AMT.:)

Originally Posted by GT RUS (Post 2127074)

I think about chargoal on GT Silver 997 TT...any pics ???

Originally Posted by peter@wheelexperts (Post 2118076)

Wheel Experts is proud to announce the introduction of AMT "Tech1" Forged Monoblock Wheels for Porsche. The wheels are made in the good ol' USA of 100% aerospace grade aluminum and are extremely lightweight. Initially, there will be 2 styles available, a mesh (Style 109) and a 10 spoke (Style 110), with more to come, and are available in the following sizes, followed by a nominal weight (+/- .5 lbs depending on exact style and finish)

19x8.5 - 17 lbs
19x11.5 - 21.5 lbs
19x12 - 22.5 lbs (GT3, GT3RS)
20x8.5 - 18.5 lbs
20x11 - 22 lbs
20x12 - 24 lbs

.....
peter@wheelexperts.com

Thanks!


http://wheelexperts.com/_peter/AMT/A...912mesh600.jpg

http://wheelexperts.com/_peter/AMT/A...1911510600.jpg

Originally Posted by cannga (Post 2127699)

Wow, all of sudden these EXCELLENT wheels appear. Potential buyers note that AMT significantly underweigh both HRE P40 and Champion 171. The mesh wheel (109) looks "funny," too squarish. But the 10 spoke (110) wheel looks good.

Just 4 things to point out, and maybe Peter/Forgedwheeler could answer for potential buyers:

1. OEM rear rim width is 11, not 11.5 like these AMT's.
2. Is center cap compatible with the Porsche cap?
3. Is this TPMS compatible?
4. Are spacers needed for the Porsche Turbo?

At any rate, congrats to AMT. These are VERY VERY light wheels. Competition is good indeed.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/c...eelsWeight.jpg

Originally Posted by carlover08 (Post 2129058)

I was trying to find some more information on the wheel quality compared to others and I came upon this from another thread. I think its good for us enthusiasts
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-wheels-3.html

HRE_Alan
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Age: 39
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Agreed!! (almost...)
Benjamin,

I agree with you wholeheartedly (except for your criticism of us of course!!)

It is unfortunate that in one breath HRE is criticized for making wheels that are "too heavy" while our "competition" is applauded for making wheels that are irresponsibly light weight. And now we introduce a material that can get us to a lower weight safely and we're being criticized.

If you notice, the weights of our 1pc forged aluminum wheels are in-line with our quality competitors, namely BBS and Champion. Why is this? It's because the same physics that apply to them apply to me. I can make a 17lb wheel any day of the week, but that doesn't mean it is safe to go on a 997TT. Oh... but they've tested it. Not enough. It turns out that it helps if you test to the correct load rating for the application and the use the right spec. We actually multiply the designated TUV load rating by a factor of safety before designing the wheel to that spec. Why? We've found that simply going off of max axle load isn't enough. Not even close. If it were that easy to make them lightweight, wouldn't Porsche do it themselves? Do any of us have more resources than Porsche? I don't think so.

This shows the difference between good marketing and good engineering. We'll stick to the good engineering. We want to be in business for the long haul. We're not going to sell a bunch of wheels and then going running off with all the money once the fatigure failures begin... and they will begin. It just takes time.

So on to carbon. It turns out that the stiffness of the carbon barrel is actually much higher than the stiffness of the aluminum barrel. In fact, in fatigue, the barrels are load rated MUCH higher than the aluminum center simply because you have to design the rim around impact. Okay... so is it brittle and is it going to shatter into a million pieces under impact. Nope. If you hit a curb or something you'll definitely damage it, but you'll have a localized failure which is what you want and should expect.

As for us not knowing and/or not caring, I want to extend an invitation to you to visit HRE anytime. I can give you a personal tour (above and beyond my normal tours) and show you how we do it and why we do it that way. I think you'll be impressed by our knowledge and expertise, our capabilities, our honesty and the most of all the integrity that is simply infused in all of us here.

If you want to criticize us after that, feel free. I welcome constructive criticism. It keeps us moving forward. I just prefer it is based on facts and reality.

My $.51.

Thanks,

Alan

Originally Posted by HRE_Alan (Post 2129145)

If you notice, the weights of our 1pc forged aluminum wheels are in-line with our quality competitors, namely BBS and Champion. Why is this? It's because the same physics that apply to them apply to me. I can make a 17lb wheel any day of the week, but that doesn't mean it is safe to go on a 997TT. Oh... but they've tested it. Not enough. It turns out that it helps if you test to the correct load rating for the application and the use the right spec. We actually multiply the designated TUV load rating by a factor of safety before designing the wheel to that spec. Why? We've found that simply going off of max axle load isn't enough. Not even close. If it were that easy to make them lightweight, wouldn't Porsche do it themselves? Do any of us have more resources than Porsche? I don't think so.

Originally Posted by HRE_Alan (Post 2129145)

carlover08,

Thanks but my post was in response to concerns about carbon so I appreciate the help, but I can handle it. Since I see HRE's name in this thread everywhere if anyone has any questions about why our wheels weigh what they weigh, go ahead and contact me directly. I'll give you the facts about wheel design.

760-598-1960

Thanks,

Alan

Originally Posted by Forgedwheeler (Post 2129289)

We have great respect for HRE and Mr. Peltier. For the record, no one at AMT has ever criticized HRE for how they choose to build their monoblock wheels, or their product's inertia weight. We would consider that especially inappropriate in a new product announcement thread on this forum.
However, to address Mr. Peltier's comments, our technology, equipment and manufacturing techniques are superior to anything HRE has to offer. We have been building forged monoblock wheels for a decade and private label them to some of the finest automotive tuners in the world. We supply the military and aerospace industries with exotic, high strength alloy wheels and components. For years, we supplied Dodge with forged wheels for the Viper program. We are the exclusive forged wheel supplier to Roush.
We forge, spin, heat-treat, lathe and mill all of our our own wheels in our own 120,000 sq. ft. factory in Oxnard, California. And we have vast experience with aluminum alloys far stronger than that used by our competitors.
HRE, in stark comparison, buys a spun blank from a third party, cuts a style on a milling machine, and then wants to sell you that they alone understand wheel engineering.
The AMT Forged Alloys product line is carefully engineered, weight-optimized, properly load rated, comes with a one-year road hazard warranty and a lifetime structural warranty.
Lastly, and most importantly, no AMT product has ever experienced a structural failure in service and no AMT product has ever been recalled.
We think you will have a tough time finding another wheel manufacturer who can make that claim.


Mike Burroughs
816/588-3153

Originally Posted by HRE_Alan (Post 2129323)

Mike,

For the record, I never mentioned AMT and I didn't post in response to AMT. In comparison, you've been posting for months about HRE acting like you're just a guy looking out for everyone's best interest. Interesting strategy to say the least. You're a sales guy and I'm an engineer. We just see things differently and do things differently. We'll never agree. I'm very comfortable with that relationship.

I ask everyone to please visit AMT and visit HRE. I welcome the comparison. There is more to a company than the size of your facility or whether or not you make your own forgings. Champion doesn't even make their own wheels, but we all agree they're a high quality product. In the end, I know what makes HRE special. It isn't just the technical stuff (which we do well by the way). It's the people. Anybody that has ever met us knows the type of people we are and how that reflects on the products we make. You can't find that many places.

Have fun. Welcome to the party. Good luck with your wheels.

Alan

Originally Posted by Forgedwheeler (Post 2129289)

However, to address Mr. Peltier's comments, our technology, equipment and manufacturing techniques are superior to anything HRE has to offer.

Mike Burroughs
816/588-3153

Originally Posted by HREMarc (Post 2118618)

we have always offered aluminum powdercoated caps.

Originally Posted by Forgedwheeler (Post 2120781)

AMT has been a forged wheel manufacturer for more than a decade.
They supply many USA defense-oriented suppliers with wheels for military and aerospace applications. These are mission-critical projects like bomb disposal vehicles, armored vehicles and the like.
In addition, the company is the exclusive forged wheel supplier to Roush. Internationally, they supply Brabus, Gemballa, Kahn, Winchester, Overfinch and along list of the world's top tuners on a private-label basis.
This is their first AMT branded product and it is substantially less expensive than HRE and most of its competitors. The value proposition is underscored by the fact their product is comparable in weight to a carbon fiber wheel at half the price and with NONE of the problems.
And yes, I do work for AMT.:)