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Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jamuz
thanks for honest review. pdk with turbo sounds like it has some safety cushion built in. i won't take pdk seriously until porsche uses it in the RSR or cup series.

I agree 100%
 
Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:29 PM
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Just a wild guess but is it possible that the PDK is in limp mode from transport and it was not reset during PDI?
 
Old Jan 18, 2010 | 05:44 PM
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Interesting, Porsche puts a lot of design and thought into the 997tt to make it so driveable and useable. Only supercar you can really DD comfortably and take to the track on the weekend and only have regular service. Many complained about the understeer in the 997.1tt and Porsche responded and maid the new 997.2tt more of an oversteer (sporty) especially in combination with torque vectoring and that is one of the things you compare as not as planted compred to the GT-R.
I think the tt does perfectly what it is designed for. Very few cars are faster 0-60, very few cars have a higher top speed, very very few beat a tt in both and they certainly cannot be used as a DD.

If you want it to be harder or edgier get a GT2 or 3.
 
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Originally Posted by JMorrison
That's one of the reason's I went manual again.
Test drove a c2s PDK and in manual mode too much delay on down shifts.

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Hit the brake and hold the downshift button and PDK will rev match each downshift at the ideal shift point . It is actually the most amazing feature of PDK . It's too bad you never knew .
 
Old Jan 18, 2010 | 09:07 PM
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they are not making any more 997TT's the ones that are here are the last. All future production cars will be 997TT S the final version before next generation turbo. I went to order 1 and won't be able to order anything but the S. It is supposed to have ceramics and power boost (similar to X50) for appx 50 more HP plus other former options as standard at a higher base price of course. If you haven't taken delivery you might want to consider ordering the S instead, probably will be cheaper when you add the new standard stuff in.
 
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Here is a post I posted on one of the other forums that answers and clarifies many of the questions. Sorry about the duplication.

Some answers to your questions:
I am located in Canada (Toronto). Car was held up at port since Dec 20, but just arrived at dealer last week, and I took immediate possession.

Yes I have Sports Chrono, limited slip diff, Torque vectoring, and the adaptive engine mounts (I purposely chose a car that was set up for maximum performance).

As I mentioned in my original write-up, the turbos begin to spool up nearly immediately, but take a perceptible amount to get to full boost (visible on the boost gauge and obvious to the seat of the pants). Of course this is only noticeable when you step on the gas in a specific gear at mid-range RPM, and not an issue if you are shifting through the gears at redline. In fact the big advantage of the PDK over the manual is that the turbos never unspool during shifts. Yes it does spool up faster than prior generations, but is still noticeable. (Just and observation and a heads-up - not a complaint).

Similarly, with the PDK the actual shift times are quite quick, but in manual mode, there is a slight lag between the time you pull the paddle, and the shift actually happens. Again, this is more noticeable at moderate RPM, and less noticeable at flat out, near redline shifts. For example, in manual mode, if you wanted to briskly accelerate at a light, and quickly rip through say 3 or 4 gears, without significantly exceeding all the speed limits, ie. shifting at say 4000 rpm, you would be aware of the delay between the command and the shift. Again, an observation, not a complaint.

I have generally been driving it in sport mode, and do not notice a dramatic difference in responsiveness in manual shifts between the modes. In Automatic mode and set to Sport Plus, the transmision will not shift until the rpm gets to about 6000 rpm, so not suitable for any type of normal driving. Sports plus mode seems to be oriented for track use. Sport mode is an excellent compromise in auto mode for just driving around.

I am probably a bit more sensitive to the lag issue than most, since I have driven several late model Ferraris with very immediate reflexes, and yes, even the GT-R spools up faster and shifts more immediately (again, not better, just different). (By the way, to address the GT-R reliability issue mentioned by someone on the post, I have had the GT-R for 18 months, have over 23,000km on it, 25+ track sessions, am on the 3rd set of brake pads, and no failures or warranty work of any kind. I have never found the need to do any "launches" as the car accelerates very impressively without resorting to drivetrain damaging clutch drops).

By the way, I put on my old rims and snow tires from the GT3 on the new car on Saturday, and drove it to work today. Very liveable in traffic. Good traction in the cold with the softer compound of the snow tires. (No axle hop!).


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Originally Posted by raclaims
How would you compare it to the ZR1?
I really want one of those!
Very different cars. Different feel.
The Porsche feels tighter, smaller (although they are identical in dimensions).

The ZR1 is much stronger/faster (Not surprising since it has 20+% more torque and horsepower, and weighs 200 lbs less.). The ZR1 is the only car I have ever had, that had enough power to scare me on the track. On the other hand, like the TT it is remarkably civilized to drive on the street, and can also easily be used every day (except winter).

The biggest issue with the ZR1 is that it has very tall gearing, which is great at the track, but frankly sort of irritating on the street, since you can break the speed limits in first gear ... then you have to coast down with nothing else to do. (First gear is good for 100 kph, and second gets to 155 kph).

Oh yes, it is supercharged, so no lag of any kind.
(And yes, it has really crappy seats!).
 
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Similarly, with the PDK the actual shift times are quite quick, but in manual mode, there is a slight lag between the time you pull the paddle, and the shift actually happens
This is exactly where I am saying there is a problem specific to your car's shifting . I drive my car in manual mode 98 percent of the time . I have 3K miles on my 997S and not once did i ever have a shift which wasn't immediate .
Comparing it lets say to a manual shift where pushing in the clutch and rowing the gear takes about 1 second --my PDK car takes about 1/20 of that time to accomplish the same manual shift.
 
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Originally Posted by yrralis1
Hit the brake and hold the downshift button and PDK will rev match each downshift at the ideal shift point . It is actually the most amazing feature of PDK . It's too bad you never knew .
I mean dropping it a gear or 2.
Rev-matching is much more rewarding done by yourself.
 
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Originally Posted by joeTurbo
As I mentioned in my original write-up, the turbos begin to spool up nearly immediately, but take a perceptible amount to get to full boost (visible on the boost gauge and obvious to the seat of the pants).
I hope that I have answered all the questions, but if anyone has
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Thanks for your posts, the boost "issue" you're describing answers my question about the new model.

So you have a 997tt, ZR1 and GT-R? Nice, congrats. I'll keep an eye out for you on the 401!
 
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Very honest, comparative reviews. Thank you!
 
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nice car choices!
 
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