Originally Posted by TT Surgeon (Post 3872013)

TA is a very well known German tuner, extremely high end stuff. I got a feeling Leo will be keeping the TA.

Originally Posted by vinnycg (Post 3872493)

Wow, just got through this thread...pack with good information. That being said, I am very interested in the Cargraphic loud exhaust for my 997.1. Can anyone tell me which vendors currently sell this exhaust?

Thanks,

Vin

Originally Posted by Leo997TT (Post 3871523)

Tip cars drive low RPM so I never get to hear the exhaust... I only hear the exhaust when I'm driving over 4000 RPM

Originally Posted by cannga (Post 3872834)

Leo, wait...I am glad someone had asked you to explain! I did not realize your car was automatic, a bad assumption on my part. The problem here is the transmission type, not necessarily the Techart Exhaust's fault!

First I do agree with your assessment. Automatic transmission does present some issues, primarily because you don't have control over the engine RPM speed, and therefore exhaust sound. (While you could drive an automatic car in manual mode, I've always found it to be so cumbersome for some reason.) This brings implication of potential problems both with cruising (drone when rpm below 3000) and loudness as you have noticed.

I also agree with TT Surgeon and jhbrennan's points. Techart is a top notch tuner who knows what they are doing and make very high quality components. Now I don't know how loud it is but I do not think EP1 will be louder. Second, read jhbrennan's assessment closely (he is an EP pioneer and had it years before it became popular) - EP1 has great sound, but if it's loudness you are after, it's not the one. At the least, you should have gone for EP2.

Merely trying to help here: Unless you have so much $$$ to burn, I actually would NOT install the EP1. That way you could resell it as brand new and take very little hit. The GMG remains a potential candidate, but with an automatic car, I am leery about drone at 2000-3000 rpm (manual car owners cruise at 3000 rpm and therefore escape the drone problem, automatic car has no control of rpm in auto mode). Cargraphic Loud is also a candidate but I do not know whether it is louder than your Techart; it should from your description, but I don't know for sure. Lastly, I could see you are trying to convert your exhaust to catless: that might just work and to me is the best solution.

Lastly a subtle but important point: A good exhaust should not be loud at cruising RPM and/or constant low throttle because otherwise it would give you a headache like you wouldn't believe. It should only get loud say at 3300-3500 and above and at WOT. So if your car is quiet at cruising speed, that's the way it should be (mine is fairly quiet at 3000 rpm too). Good luck and sorry I haven't been of much help here; the automatic transmission does limit what I would comfortably recommend.

Originally Posted by Leo997TT (Post 3872905)

Yes, that's my problem (no a real problem) when I drive my car in Manual is all good because I can go high RPM but when is in automatic I just feel like trading my car for a ZR1

I think Chris, JH, Tom & you are right TA is a great company and the exhaust is really good, I just gonna resell the EP1... And keep my TA

I can send you some Swiss chocolate when I sell the exhaust :-)

Originally Posted by yumaverick (Post 3872907)

A Zr1 will sound a lot better than our cars do and will be faster! Lol Well until you do some mods to your TT

Originally Posted by cannga (Post 3872834)

Leo, wait...I am glad someone had asked you to explain! I did not realize your car was automatic, a bad assumption on my part. The problem here is the transmission type, not necessarily the Techart Exhaust's fault!

First I do agree with your assessment. Automatic transmission does present some issues, primarily because you don't have control over the engine RPM speed, and therefore exhaust sound. (While you could drive an automatic car in manual mode, I've always found it to be so cumbersome for some reason.) This brings implication of potential problems both with cruising (drone when rpm below 3000) and loudness as you have noticed.

I also agree with TT Surgeon and jhbrennan's points. Techart is a top notch tuner who knows what they are doing and make very high quality components. Now I don't know how loud it is but I do not think EP1 will be louder. Second, read jhbrennan's assessment closely (he is an EP pioneer and had it years before it became popular) - EP1 has great sound, but if it's loudness you are after, it's not the one. At the least, you should have gone for EP2.

Merely trying to help here: Unless you have so much $$$ to burn, I actually would NOT install the EP1. That way you could resell it as brand new and take very little hit. The GMG remains a potential candidate, but with an automatic car, I am leery about drone at 2000-3000 rpm (manual car owners cruise at 3000 rpm and therefore escape the drone problem, automatic car has no control of rpm in auto mode). Cargraphic Loud is also a candidate but I do not know whether it is louder than your Techart; it should from your description, but I don't know for sure. Lastly, I could see you are trying to convert your exhaust to catless: that might just work and to me is the best solution.

Lastly a subtle but important point: A good exhaust should not be loud at cruising RPM and/or constant low throttle because otherwise it would give you a headache like you wouldn't believe. It should only get loud say at 3300-3500 and above and at WOT. So if your car is quiet at cruising speed, that's the way it should be (mine is fairly quiet at 3000 rpm too). Good luck and sorry I haven't been of much help here; the automatic transmission does limit what I would comfortably recommend.

Originally Posted by TT Surgeon (Post 3873072)

Hold the presses! Can and I actually agree with each other !
I agree 100%, if loud is what u want, ep ain't the one for you.
C

Originally Posted by TT Surgeon (Post 3873161)

Supply and demand Leo, for whatever reason, drinking koolade etc, ep is in demand, I'd add a couple of hundred when u sell, the ep tax.

Originally Posted by TT Surgeon (Post 3873161)

Supply and demand Leo, for whatever reason, drinking koolade etc, ep is in demand, I'd add a couple of hundred when u sell, the ep tax.

Originally Posted by Leo997TT (Post 3873120)

Thank you guys! I just gonna sell the EP1 and keep the Techart

Originally Posted by Airjoe (Post 3873338)

Leo, I'd still be interested in working out a GMG/EP trade...