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Old Jul 30, 2011 | 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
no idea but they are light.
if you have no idea how much they weigh how do you know they are lighter than the Carillos here?
 
Old Jul 30, 2011 | 09:34 PM
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if you have no idea how much they weigh how do you know they are lighter than the Carillos here?
Funny I was thinking the same thing.
 
Old Jul 31, 2011 | 04:33 AM
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because I had it in my hand both? because pankl is titanium?
 
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
because I had it in my hand both? because pankl is titanium?

Pankl makes several compounds but as far as I have read none that are 100% titanium. What compound are yours?
 
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
because I had it in my hand both? because pankl is titanium?
And your calibrated hands could tell the difference between the 2 based on a small number of grams. Apothecaries worldwide may want to hire you instead of buying a scale.

You've got what looks like a nice car but trying to **** on Champion's accomplishment here is not cool.
 
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Originally Posted by The Bogg
And your calibrated hands could tell the difference between the 2 based on a small number of grams. Apothecaries worldwide may want to hire you instead of buying a scale.

You've got what looks like a nice car but trying to **** on Champion's accomplishment here is not cool.
guys I'm not trying to **** Champion, this is my opinion, that is why I'm not using Carrillos that's all.
 
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
because I had it in my hand both? because pankl is titanium?
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Pankl makes several compounds but as far as I have read none that are 100% titanium. What compound are yours?
Keep in mind that titanium rods have a very short life expectancy.

We have used Pankl titanium rods in many race applications before, and while they are indeed extremely strong and light, they are lifed-out at about 48 hours. I doubt anyone owning a street car is willing to open their motor and replace rods every 48 hours.
 
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What Champion has done is good for everyone on this forum. Carrillo in the past had been using connecting rods that where designed to be used on the 996. They pushed and pushed until Carrillo saw the light and what Champion was trying to accomplish. You now have rods that are bonafide 997 rods.
 
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
Keep in mind that titanium rods have a very short life expectancy.

We have used Pankl titanium rods in many race applications before, and while they are indeed extremely strong and light, they are lifed-out at about 48 hours. I doubt anyone owning a street car is willing to open their motor and replace rods every 48 hours.
Tom , you are right but 48 on race car, gt3 and rs are running pankl con rods, you think they are 48 hours life?
 
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Originally Posted by Tom@Champion
Keep in mind that titanium rods have a very short life expectancy.

We have used Pankl titanium rods in many race applications before, and while they are indeed extremely strong and light, they are lifed-out at about 48 hours. I doubt anyone owning a street car is willing to open their motor and replace rods every 48 hours.
I agree 100%. Titanium is very hard and therefore does not take shock, vibration, or any situation where they are bent or any event where torsion is applied. Titanium is very light and strong but is akin to sintered carbide (but worse), it will simply explode into pieces under the certain circumstances. This is a fact. This being why pure titanium ( or as pure as it gets) will never be used in shock applications and why CP notes a titanium BLEND. We use sintered carbide over titanium in some of my designs at work because of this and cost. Titanium snaps like a pretzel.

I would rather have this in my car as described on the CP Carrillo/Mahle website: Straight H-Beam The stoutest beam configuration available. It is capable of handling the most abusive forces in an engine.
 

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Did not know you guys had made these rods...cool.
 
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Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
mine are from pankl. they are much lighter...
Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
no idea but they are light.
Originally Posted by 997 GT3 RS/TT
guys I'm not trying to **** Champion, this is my opinion, that is why I'm not using Carrillos that's all.
That's some BS man. Get out of here with that nonsense.
 
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