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eurotom Aug 14, 2012 02:29 PM

Why PCCB's are so expensive
 
Interesting video I'm sure some of you have seen it.


997tttiplux Aug 14, 2012 03:32 PM

if I remember well Brembo ceramic rotors for Corvette C6 ZR1 cost something like 1500.00 us$ each. So I think your title may be a bit misleading ;-)

For me, the explanation is pretty simple: they own the market.
I see nothing crazy in the manufacturing process.

Anyway, interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

Dan@SCB Aug 14, 2012 04:15 PM

very intresting

Nick-NY Aug 14, 2012 07:55 PM

Very nice, Thanks for sharing.

eurotom Aug 14, 2012 09:08 PM


Originally Posted by 997tttiplux (Post 3616585)
if I remember well Brembo ceramic rotors for Corvette C6 ZR1 cost something like 1500.00 us$ each. So I think your title may be a bit misleading ;-)

For me, the explanation is pretty simple: they own the market.
I see nothing crazy in the manufacturing process.

Anyway, interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

Well I guess I could change the title to "why cc rotors cost more than steels" lol.

Not specific to brembo cc rotor manufacturing is a complex process. Are they worth it? I dont' know but I'm happy to have them.

997tttiplux Aug 15, 2012 12:49 AM

Me too Tom.

When the 997 came out, Porsche had set up track testing in Estoril (Portugal, formula 1 race track) for the european dealer network.

Someone I know really well used to work for Porsche at the time and so had the chance to make a few sessions with several 997. Some with normal steel brakes and some others with PCCB. What I remember is that he had told me that the difference was really significant, the steel brakes did feel weak in comparison. Ok maybe with better pads, the steel would have come back even but anyway, for me also the PCCB is great for normal driving (clean rims, lightness, ...).

For complete honnesty, I haven't driven a steel 997 so I can't tell for sure. But I'm sure of a few things: with the PCCB the pedal feel is wonderfull, the power is there and I have never seen any dust on my rims (I don't track).

For me - now - it's a mandatory choice.

David

Turbo Fanatic Aug 15, 2012 02:20 AM

It seems to be the consensus that the ceramics don't really offer any perceptible advantage over steel rotors with the exception of weight and maybe initial bite.

Maybe the unsprung weight reduction provides an advantage in motorsports? but most serious track guys just switch to steel?

Anyone know for sure? I understand that this is highly subjective. For a street car, i think the absence of brake dust alone might make them worthwhile :)

997tttiplux Aug 15, 2012 03:25 AM

I forgot one BIG drawback: under the rain, *if not warm enough*, PCCB are dangerous. They don't bite immediately AT ALL. You have to be carefull with that.

ERSKATEDOC Aug 15, 2012 11:12 AM

Other Advantages of PCCB
 
1. No Brake dust - rims stay much cleaner. I'm still kicking myself that went from PCCB to steel when I sold my 2008 TT (PCCB) for a 2011 TT (steel rotor). My HRE p40's are a mess to clean (for my detail guy). I get the car washed 2-3 times a week mostly because the wheels look like sh*t if they are not clean. Never an issue with the PCCB's

2. They last forever with a daily driver.

Great video - I love that show. I always learn something.

quick Aug 15, 2012 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by ERSKATEDOC (Post 3617303)
I get the car washed 2-3 times a week mostly because the wheels look like sh*t if they are not clean. Never an issue with the PCCB's

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I drove 500 miles the other day and I couldn't believe the wheels had minimum brake dust where I didn't even feel necessary washing the car. Well,I did wash the car but not for the wheels though hilarious


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