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Old Oct 22, 2015 | 01:00 PM
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Got it...replied via email.
yes you emailed the owner...thank you.
 
Old Oct 22, 2015 | 01:03 PM
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Hello Guys,
it is confirmed by Championmotorsport,the car has champion ICs,headers,exhaust,clutch,Giac tune and modified VGTs.
 
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it is confirmed by Championmotorsport,the car has champion ICs,headers,exhaust,clutch,Giac tune and modified VGTs.
Yes, they are modified VTG's, but they are not our 68mm VTG's.
 
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in a previous post Tom@champion was curious where that car was built,now after we got the VIN# he confessed it has all bolt ons from champion and it has modified VGTs but not from champion...really weird...anyway next week we will remove those turbos and check them and have some pics.
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Originally Posted by dynamic gt2
in a previous post Tom@champion was curious where that car was built,now after we got the VIN# he confessed it has all bolt ons from champion and it has modified VGTs but not from champion...really weird...anyway next week we will remove those turbos and check them and have some pics.
Thank you.
When you originally posted the video, I did not recognize the car because you said it had our 68mm VTG's. When you posted the still picture, I recognized it...but we worked on the car before our 68mm VTG's were available. So if it has 68mm VTG's on it now, they must have been added after we originally built the car.
 
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last week the owner of this champion turbo took it to the dyno,she puts 610whp with 50/50 pump/ms109.then he decided to let Todd.K @Protomotive to retune it.this is the graph after proto tune.sorry i dont have the first graph before proto tune.Proto tune adds 96whp with same fuel.
 
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Originally Posted by dynamic gt2
last week the owner of this champion turbo took it to the dyno,she puts 610whp with 50/50 pump/ms109.then he decided to let Todd.K @Protomotive to retune it.this is the graph after proto tune.sorry i dont have the first graph before proto tune.Proto tune adds 96whp with same fuel.
Just wondering if they did a before and after dyno on the SAME dyno?

How old was the GIAC/Champion tune?

As I know everyone in the 911 world has gotten more aggressive with this platform as we now understand more about the strengths and weakness.

I am not taking ANYTHING away from Protomotive (as my car is a Proto car) as I believe Todd is/has been a pioneer and a leader of the 911 platform overall, BUT there is enough mis information on forums not giving true delta differences between upgrades/tunes.

Champion/GIAC is also long time tuner that Has my respect for developing turn key, all around performers. I had a full AWE/GIAC STG 3 package on my 02 S4 and it performed all day everyday as if Audi would have designed and made it. Could I have gotten a custom tune to squeeze out more? For sure, but for that vehicle I wanted everyday reliable performance fro a proven long in the profession tuner.

Either way if it is a net of 96hp above, that is amazing and would say good job to Todd!
 
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Just wondering if they did a before and after dyno on the SAME dyno?

How old was the GIAC/Champion tune?

As I know everyone in the 911 world has gotten more aggressive with this platform as we now understand more about the strengths and weakness.

I am not taking ANYTHING away from Protomotive (as my car is a Proto car) as I believe Todd is/has been a pioneer and a leader of the 911 platform overall, BUT there is enough mis information on forums not giving true delta differences between upgrades/tunes.

Champion/GIAC is also long time tuner that Has my respect for developing turn key, all around performers. I had a full AWE/GIAC STG 3 package on my 02 S4 and it performed all day everyday as if Audi would have designed and made it. Could I have gotten a custom tune to squeeze out more? For sure, but for that vehicle I wanted everyday reliable performance fro a proven long in the profession tuner.

Either way if it is a net of 96hp above, that is amazing and would say good job to Todd!
yes sir same dyno 1 week difference
 
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Originally Posted by dynamic gt2
yes sir same dyno 1 week difference
Very nice,

Do they know how old that tune is and if GIAC has any updates?

Also the GIAC tune was it a tune tuned specifically for 50/50 race/pump as Protomotive custom tune?

Or was it a pump gas tune with just 50% race fuel put through the tank or was it a race tune with 50/50 pump/race?

I am getting Todd to look at doing a recal on my car shortly as now have upgraded ETS intercooler! Hoping to squeeze some more out of her on pump and my E85 tune!
 
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Very nice,

Do they know how old that tune is and if GIAC has any updates?

Also the GIAC tune was it a tune tuned specifically for 50/50 race/pump as Protomotive custom tune?

Or was it a pump gas tune with just 50% race fuel put through the tank or was it a race tune with 50/50 pump/race?

I am getting Todd to look at doing a recal on my car shortly as now have upgraded ETS intercooler! Hoping to squeeze some more out of her on pump and my E85 tune!
Honestly no idea about Giac/champion tune on the car ,but we datalog it on pump and saw lot of timing pull so we tried the 50/50 which was great.so we stayed with same fuel when Todd tuned it to see what gain we have in the same conditions.
 
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My car made a lot more power and torque after I sent it to Protomotive. Of course it came back with E85 also...
 
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My car made a lot more power and torque after I sent it to Protomotive. Of course it came back with E85 also...
this is expected...E85 is the Key
 
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