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I wonder if they shipped you the 997.1 version by mistake. The 997.2 is a slightly different size. Have you modded this to fit your?
I believe they shipped me a 997.1, but they seem to think they shipped me a 996 version. They really don't know what they have.
I'm not going to modify it. I sent it back for a refund and decided to make my own. I ordered some bends with custom leg lengths, which should be ready in a week or so. I suspect if I make it slip-fit, I can make a unit that fits both 997.1 and 997.2, though I no longer have a .1 to test-fit.
Monday I sent the turbo flange drawing out for bids to both a machine shop and a water jet shop. If the water jet shop can produce it using a flat-enough plate, I won't need to fly cut the turbo side mating surface, resulting in a lower cost.
And there you have it unfortunately. Muffler design and material have a lot to do with things. Not just cramming in what fits back there (which is quite limited with space) Who knows what it would have sounded like and level of drone. Those that have lasted in the Porsche exhaust game have for a reason I think. There is more to it especially in the Porsche market where clients are more discriminating and volumes are quite a bit lower. An over-seas manufacturer can bang a bunch of misc stuff out cheap and know nothing about the car or the market. Yes there are some that are too expensive for sure. But that goes for everything. Good luck OP.
Last edited by SamboTT@ByDesign; 03-08-2018 at 12:21 PM.
And there you have it unfortunately. Muffler design and material have a lot to do with things. Not just cramming in what fits back there (which is quite limited with space) Who knows what it would have sounded like and level of drone. Those that have lasted in the Porsche exhaust game have for a reason I think. There is more to it especially in the Porsche market where clients are more discriminating and volumes are quite a bit lower. An over-seas manufacturer can bang a bunch of misc stuff out cheap and know nothing about the car or the market. Yes there are some that are too expensive for sure. But that goes for everything. Good luck OP.
I respectfully disagree: There isn't much to exhaust design at all. Sound, including drone, is a waveform. Tuning sound is mathematics, not some dark art that only a few in the Porsche game know. It all comes down to which frequencies one wants to permit and which one wants to cancel.
With respect to the notion that some are too expensive, they're all too expensive. There isn't a reasonably-priced exhaust on the market. The Porsche aftermarket is built around the idea that most customers don't know better when it comes to manufacturing. There's no difference in engineering or manufacturing a Mustang exhaust or a GT2 RS exhaust, no matter what manufacturers would have consumers think. No one goes to engineering school with a concentration in Porsche. The same knowledge applies to everything, and there's no difference in price for a 20' stick of 3" with 0.065" wall 304 whether it's used for a Porsche or a Hyundai. The differences lie solely in the depth of customers' pockets and marketing.
I respect your opinion. I can tell you this forum is full of threads about exhaust from drilling the pipes, to home grown, to what is considered the best, to the most expensive. It's all subjective but after over 20 years in Porsche I will tell you they ALL sound different, ALL have pro's/con's and all produce different results. I disagree that it's all the same. on a Porsche you have much less space to tune an exhaust. You can get rid of drone but what if it's too loud? I can go on for days but I won't. I will just say that some points here are obvious and some are just not that simple. There have also been several gents who did their own thing and it's a drop in the bucket over-all. Some appreciate certain things and others don't. I am not speaking of the over-priced part. I offer almost everything and most in the industry are my friends whom I know pretty well so I don't agree that all are gouging. At the same time if someone wants to pay 7k for a "work of art" whether it functions as well or not that is up to them.
I truly wish you well and you obviously have some skill so many of us are rooting for you! As a dad who can't seam to find the time to fix the damn sink I envy you and am rooting for you even more! I am pretty confident from what you have shared that you will hand-make something that you will be proud of and enjoy. Just saying that once you are done we can see what the community thinks and how it fits in the spectrum and what it's pro's/con's are you know what I mean?
I will even say that I have lots of spare components if I can help you at all dad!
I respectfully disagree: There isn't much to exhaust design at all. Sound, including drone, is a waveform. Tuning sound is mathematics, not some dark art that only a few in the Porsche game know. It all comes down to which frequencies one wants to permit and which one wants to cancel.
With respect to the notion that some are too expensive, they're all too expensive. There isn't a reasonably-priced exhaust on the market. The Porsche aftermarket is built around the idea that most customers don't know better when it comes to manufacturing. There's no difference in engineering or manufacturing a Mustang exhaust or a GT2 RS exhaust, no matter what manufacturers would have consumers think. No one goes to engineering school with a concentration in Porsche. The same knowledge applies to everything, and there's no difference in price for a 20' stick of 3" with 0.065" wall 304 whether it's used for a Porsche or a Hyundai. The differences lie solely in the depth of customers' pockets and marketing.
With respect to the notion that some are too expensive, they're all too expensive. There isn't a reasonably-priced exhaust on the market. The Porsche aftermarket is built around the idea that most customers don't know better when it comes to manufacturing. There's no difference in engineering or manufacturing a Mustang exhaust or a GT2 RS exhaust, no matter what manufacturers would have consumers think. No one goes to engineering school with a concentration in Porsche. The same knowledge applies to everything, and there's no difference in price for a 20' stick of 3" with 0.065" wall 304 whether it's used for a Porsche or a Hyundai. The differences lie solely in the depth of customers' pockets and marketing.
I disagree 100% with your proposition
I recently received my Europipe exhaust for my 997
I will tell you that the design, quality of materials and construction quality place it at the highest level of aftermarket parts.
I am sure that a lot of time, energy and thought went into designing that unit. Given the limited quantities of Porsche turbos produced and the even more limited amounts that get modified it is clear that you are going to pay a higher premium for a lower production car than say a Mustang which is going to have thousands of units sold and be able to spread the R & D and Jig fabrication costs over much more units
I am sure that a lot of the 997 community would like to be able to but a full turbo back exhaust for $1500 with 200 cel cats but these cars are not Subarus
The cost comes in all the bends and fitting the system to work in a tightly confined space
At the end of the day if some company where to develop a made in Asia low cost unit as they have for so many of the larger pool turbo vehicles I still would prefer to spend the extra money and get something really designed and constructed like a Rolex watch to install on my car rather than just a cheap garbage set of tubes that is going to wind of cracking and having exhaust leaks over time
03-03-2018, 05:18 AM
And there you have it unfortunately. Muffler design and material have a lot to do with things. Not just cramming in what fits back there (which is quite limited with space) Who knows what it would have sounded like and level of drone. Those that have lasted in the Porsche exhaust game have for a reason I think. There is more to it especially in the Porsche market where clients are more discriminating and volumes are quite a bit lower. An over-seas manufacturer can bang a bunch of misc stuff out cheap and know nothing about the car or the market. Yes there are some that are too expensive for sure. But that goes for everything. Good luck OP.
