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Old Sep 26, 2006 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
I think that the m5 is def quick, not 997TT fast though. damn martin! your car is def a beast. def wanna see that bad boy sometime.
Anytime man, i love the M5 , i think the M6 is hideous, not the M5!!
 
Old Sep 26, 2006 | 09:35 PM
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Anytime man, i love the M5 , i think the M6 is hideous, not the M5!!
yea man, well get a car get together sometime when we can fit one in, i def wanna hit up an airfield and go crazy! LOL. i too think the m6 is hideous. the m5 is ok, but still no looker IMO.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
yea man, well get a car get together sometime when we can fit one in, i def wanna hit up an airfield and go crazy! LOL. i too think the m6 is hideous. the m5 is ok, but still no looker IMO.
Ok no doubt man! And again, i love the M5, although when i drove it , it wasnt anything special power wise.
 
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Ok no doubt man! And again, i love the M5, although when i drove it , it wasnt anything special power wise.
yea, i cant wait! well have to do it maybe in the spring or something. i wanna get some more stuff done to my car in mods and get some friends to go as well.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
no matter how many mods tho, the m5 is still fugly.
I'm definitely challenged by the looks of the M5 headlights.
 
Old Sep 27, 2006 | 12:29 AM
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The 50km/h to 250km/h race amuses me. It does not reflect the low range torque of the 997TT. Let's race the M5 (or any car for that matter) from 0km/h to 250km/h....and then back to 0. I imagine the Porsche will be standing still at the time the M5 reaches top speed. Game Over.
 
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bottom line? got to respect what BMW can put together for the price / performance ratio....at least in a straight line.

From a dig the 997 TT will be hard to beat, but thats a traction issue, not torque. Torque is plenty present from 50km/h on up. The ability to launch like a maniac is the 997TT's strong point.

0-100 to zero (MPH) the Porsche is going to be VERY hard to beat. But thats hardly the 'norm' at the track or stoplight grand prix. BMW will be NEVER produce a car that will outperform the 997 TT on say the 'Ring for the same amount of money or less. But what they can do for a mere fraction of the 997TT price is admirable.
 
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Originally Posted by 2K7997TT
The 50km/h to 250km/h race amuses me. It does not reflect the low range torque of the 997TT. Let's race the M5 (or any car for that matter) from 0km/h to 250km/h....and then back to 0. I imagine the Porsche will be standing still at the time the M5 reaches top speed. Game Over.
0-250-0??? when is this ever applicable in real world? On the track you don't stop. On the street you race to top speed, not to the next stoplight. 50-250 is fair to show the power over the most common speeds of the cars.
 
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In the real world it's all about how one can put down the power on the road, and how well one can brake.
 
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At 0-3000 RPM's the m5 cannot generate nearly the torque the TT can. Also, the traction of the 997TT helps the launch. I believe braking is an often neglected asset of a car...Suppose I can stop in a distance that is 10% less than the M5 behind me. Also suppose that I am approaching a corner that requires rapid braking. Now given that I have better braking power, I can stay on the accelerator for a longer period of time. Case in point, I was racing a Ducati last week in a ZO6 through the twisties. He would pull away in the middle of every turn and into the straights. I could outbrake him though. His taillights would come on "X" feet before a turn. I would then gain ground. At the same "X" foot mark, my foot was still buried in the accelerator. The Ducati smokes the ZO6 in 0-60 or 0-100. But it couldn't pull away because the ZO6 could outbrake the bike. It's ironic, you have to brake to go fast.
 
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Originally Posted by PorscheC4
we have already seen ray's chipped 996TT pull on an m5 like it was a 10 speed bike so a tuned 997TT wouldnt be fair.
We also know a stage 2 996tt is even with a stock 997tt.
 
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Thanks Gustav! I have been enjoying all your videos!
 
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Nice videos, well done Gustav! How do you compare the Kelleners M5 with stock? I notice the M5 start to catching up at around 240-250. Did the TT run out of that 10sec. over boost?
 
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Significant difference between stock and Kelleners:

http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=71606

I dont know about the boost actually.

Originally Posted by Ray
Nice videos, well done Gustav! How do you compare the Kelleners M5 with stock? I notice the M5 start to catching up at around 240-250. Did the TT run out of that 10sec. over boost?
 
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M5/M6 motor does not even make that much torque for the most part either does it?
 


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