Hi Everyone,

Newbie here. I am in the market for my first Porsche and just trying to narrow down the choices.

I found a 06 4S with factory Aero Kit and a 07 Turbo, both with very low mileage (<10,000miles). The Turbo is obviously more performance and the price difference is really not a concern and therefore the Turbo seems to be the one.

Does anyone have reasons to suggest the 4S may be a better car to get (other than being cheaper)?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

MT

 

Hands down I would pick the Turbo . Here's my list of reasons :
1) Pricing is ideal on the used market.
2) Extra Hp and the potential to modify and make huge gains !!!!
3) I like the styling
4) Dry sump Gt1 engine is amazing .

 

turbo 100%..........Reason= torque,torque,torque

 

Who is NOT gonna say TT? Get it and don't look back.

 

Are you going to track it? I can't stand 997TTs on the track. That variable vein turbo is BS. Lag is very present. Sorry to disagree, especially with those who have them. Lag is really bad for track & 8/10ths street driving. You end up having to roll on the throttle before the apex so that it's there when you need it. If you time it wrong, then you push and are offline or you just feel that you're not in sync with the car. I think that TTs are great for a DD, but they do the driving. You don't get to.

 

Not to stir up a manual/Tip discussion again, but here's a hypothetical question for you all. Turbo w/ tip vs C4S manual. Would the extra horses and such still be worth it even with an automatic tranny?

 

The first set of mods reduced the lag so greatly but with the Evt700 I see not one shred of lag . The modified Turbo's pull so hard and seamless that I can't even descibe what it feels like .

One can attain face smearig acceleration minus the lag with this car .

 

My perspective is a little different. I owned an unmodified '07 997 turbo since June '06 (launch car). After 22000 miles, I traded it in on an '09 C2S. The turbo was a great daily driver and I loved the car, however an unmodded 997 turbo has some flaws. The turbo lag is still noticeable, the engine sound and exhaust sound is uninspiring and truthfully the performance envelope is so high that I rarely used it here in NJ.

After driving a manual 997S, I decided I wouldn't miss the turbo. And with a great trade-in price on the turbo and a 10% discount on the S, I haven't looked back.

A modded turbo is another story, but those mods can be expensive - expect to spend 20K minimum to mod the turbo.

If $'s aren't the issue on the '07 turbo, I'd suggest you look at a '09 S or 4S - dealers in the NYC area are very hungry, now that Wall Street is just another road.

 

I'm glad you love your car. However, I got to be a driver in a large (9page) magazine test that will be in bookstores by around February. I can't steal the article's thunder, as that would be SO uncool of me. But there was a juiced up 680HP Turbo with all the suspension goodies to match. The TT had very unsmooth deceleration from high revs, mixed with a TON of power and that would come in a huge wave after half a second of waiting (assuming that the tach was below 5k or so). It's an amazing, AMAZING amount of power. But delivery is very machine-over-man. I never could feel apart of it, more like a jockey on the back of a very fast and very self-determined racehorse.

I'm a big fan of my engine setup, to tell the truth. It was one of the cars in the test too. Key ingredients: 3.8L S motor, factory S 6 speed gearing, lightweight flywheel, high flow exhaust, limited slip diff, and a VF supercharger. Instant response. 80% of the torque of the turbo (guessing by feel). Much better sounding exhaust. Smooth decel. Totally predictable delivery in all cases. Transparent power.

Even if you don't put a blower on a 3.8L, put the LWFW and LSD in it and let it breathe (intake/exhaust/chip tuning to match). Wonderful powertrain. No surprises.

My 2 cents.

 

blakt out --

These are very different cars . Some will argue that the normally aspirated engine has less power but allows a more interactive driver . AWD and Turbo engine may leave some feeling detached until they accustom themselves to it , I don;t know many Turbo owners who bought a 997tt as his first Porsche so maybe the comparion is made from a different perspective than if he went from a Turbo into a normally aspirated car .

What I like about the Turbo is that massive power and yet the ease of driving offers a splash of luxury .It still has enough Porsche lineage to differ greatly from something an AMG Benz but it has enough control so that many of the buyers (doctors , attorneys. CEO's , playboys, etc.) with novice driving experience aren't crashing them on public roads .

In my opinion --it's the ultimate daily driving or weekend toy luxury monster .

 

I do agree with you . I spent more than 20K -- a lot more but it also included things like wheels which I would have placed on a 997S upgrade.

If you added up the loss on your 997tt trade to the profit margin on the 997S there's some spending money that you absorbed in the trade which could have gone into the Turbo . It could have made it a very different Turbo .

As for saving money with Porsche ? In my opinion the budget conscious Porsche buyer would buy a used 997S and keep it stock but then if he reads this forum he will always wonder what his car could have been .

 

Agree with yrralis1 that if your you are concerned with saving money on a PCAR, buy a used one with low miles. A little different scenario, but after consulting with the members on this board, I actually canceled my 09 C4S order bought and 06 and saved almost 45k..it worked for me and I LOVE my car.

I did drive my friends turbo on the parkway here and holy sh#t, insane..I decided I would never use the power on a regular basis and went the 06 C4S route. I was out a few weeks ago and really got a chance to open it up on a stretch of highway early in the AM, I hit 115mph rather quickly and the car just wanted more..your gonna be smiling either way you go.

BTW, what is the price/stats on the 06 C4S?

Best of luck

 

Being one that LOVES a good counterpoint, this is a really good one. Please know that I'm not arguing, just debating. I can't help it. I like it.

The Turbo IS awesome. I really respect it. The way you explain it, I fully agree. I just am not comparing it to cars that only come in automatics and stuff (AMG cars), but rather, other Porsches. That's all. It's a huge 'mitt' to catch playboys and guys finally out of college after 7 or 8 years, as well as NFL quarterbacks. For drivers, willing to buy an truck or SUV and a trailer just to have the maximum-level drivers car at the track, they make the GT3 Cup Car. Most of their other 911s fall somewhere towards the middle in that spectrum.

 

looks wise: C4S

performance wise: TT

 

Turbo all the way. The GT1 engine and G50 transmission are well worth the price of admission. Mine has very little lag and is a pleasure on the track, no issues whatsoever.