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I'm both
There are NA guys and "turbo" guys in the car world. You will find NA guys have a profound respect for pure driving enjoyment and absolute speed and acceleration take a back seat. Then their are the "turbo" guys that to me, care more about all out speed than driving enjoyment. Not that being slammed into the seat isnt enjoyable. I realize I am over generalizing here. There are obviously exceptions to the rule and keep in mind I am not just talking Porsches here. S2000 guys vs. DSM guys, 335i owners vs. M3 owners etc etc.....
I like both . Does that mean I am Bi engine ?
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Briefy -- why I like both for different reasons.
1) The NA -- very pure and basic 911 . It's light and nimble and brings the heritage of this car into its latest phase . It's the remaining core building block of a multi decate benchmark .
2) The Turbo - It has all the flavor of a 911 going from Clark Kent to Superman .
With mods not many can run with it and it embarrasses quite a few.
Most "turbo guys' started out as NA guys and pondered the idea after a few muscle cars and modded street cars smoked them on a straight run. There is a certain juvenile hint at wanting a sophisticated road monster which can also be civilized and comfortable enough to drive slow and go formal too.
1) The NA -- very pure and basic 911 . It's light and nimble and brings the heritage of this car into its latest phase . It's the remaining core building block of a multi decate benchmark .
2) The Turbo - It has all the flavor of a 911 going from Clark Kent to Superman .
With mods not many can run with it and it embarrasses quite a few.
Most "turbo guys' started out as NA guys and pondered the idea after a few muscle cars and modded street cars smoked them on a straight run. There is a certain juvenile hint at wanting a sophisticated road monster which can also be civilized and comfortable enough to drive slow and go formal too.
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Briefy -- why I like both for different reasons.
1) The NA -- very pure and basic 911 . It's light and nimble and brings the heritage of this car into its latest phase . It's the remaining core building block of a multi decate benchmark .
2) The Turbo - It has all the flavor of a 911 going from Clark Kent to Superman .
With mods not many can run with it and it embarrasses quite a few.
Most "turbo guys' started out as NA guys and pondered the idea after a few muscle cars and modded street cars smoked them on a straight run. There is a certain juvenile hint at wanting a sophisticated road monster which can also be civilized and comfortable enough to drive slow and go formal too.
1) The NA -- very pure and basic 911 . It's light and nimble and brings the heritage of this car into its latest phase . It's the remaining core building block of a multi decate benchmark .
2) The Turbo - It has all the flavor of a 911 going from Clark Kent to Superman .
With mods not many can run with it and it embarrasses quite a few.
Most "turbo guys' started out as NA guys and pondered the idea after a few muscle cars and modded street cars smoked them on a straight run. There is a certain juvenile hint at wanting a sophisticated road monster which can also be civilized and comfortable enough to drive slow and go formal too.
Jason
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Thanks to everyone on the comments. I am going to live with the NA motor and not mod it, save some money, and put it towards more GT2 mods. If I need more speed, I can always drive that car and let my wife putt along.
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I had the F77/Tubi on my car and really liked it . Even though Hp gains are modest I did notice a more assertive midrange as well as a crisp Tubi sound .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWLpdVrhWU
Add a sport shifter , a little suspension work and some light quality wheels and you are there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWLpdVrhWU
Add a sport shifter , a little suspension work and some light quality wheels and you are there.
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I had the F77/Tubi on my car and really liked it . Even though Hp gains are modest I did notice a more assertive midrange as well as a crisp Tubi sound .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWLpdVrhWU
Add a sport shifter , a little suspension work and some light quality wheels and you are there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMWLpdVrhWU
Add a sport shifter , a little suspension work and some light quality wheels and you are there.
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Wow, you really nailed it. And to amplify, I'm not at all against the turbo power thing. I just wouldn't want to give up the RWD and take on the weight, electronics and numbing machinery-managed feel of the turbo. I'd be head over heels if there was an 'S turbo' or a 'TT/RWD'. Yes, there is the GT2, but that's mega bucks and has top that doesn't fold.
Porsche makes every combinatoric of the 911 except for the one I exactly want. I'd be tempted to say I'm quietly suffering, but, well, naaaah.
Porsche makes every combinatoric of the 911 except for the one I exactly want. I'd be tempted to say I'm quietly suffering, but, well, naaaah.
There are NA guys and "turbo" guys in the car world. You will find NA guys have a profound respect for pure driving enjoyment and absolute speed and acceleration take a back seat. Then their are the "turbo" guys that to me, care more about all out speed than driving enjoyment. Not that being slammed into the seat isnt enjoyable. I realize I am over generalizing here. There are obviously exceptions to the rule and keep in mind I am not just talking Porsches here. S2000 guys vs. DSM guys, 335i owners vs. M3 owners etc etc.....
I decided a while ago that I was more of an NA guy. Not that I wouldn't ever own a TT but that driving was more than just speed for me. The feel of the car mattered, how I interacted with it mattered. I am also, not really a track guy so I did not need something that could do 200mph. I have found that in some ways my beat up 98 M3 can be just as fun as my 997S. In the M3 I can get on an on ramp, mash the pedal, and listen the engine sing to redline in more than 2 gears while I merge into traffic. In my 997S I get through about 2 gears before I go "Oh Sh$t" and have to slow down to merge into traffic. I cannot even imagine how stunted the road driving experience in a GT2 must be in day to day traffic. (not that I wouldn't enjoy finding out)
Anyway, I mod to increase what I crave in my driving experience, good handling, a nice sound, good looks, and crisp clean and smooth throttle response.... If money were no object I would probably be a GT3RS owner.
Jason
I decided a while ago that I was more of an NA guy. Not that I wouldn't ever own a TT but that driving was more than just speed for me. The feel of the car mattered, how I interacted with it mattered. I am also, not really a track guy so I did not need something that could do 200mph. I have found that in some ways my beat up 98 M3 can be just as fun as my 997S. In the M3 I can get on an on ramp, mash the pedal, and listen the engine sing to redline in more than 2 gears while I merge into traffic. In my 997S I get through about 2 gears before I go "Oh Sh$t" and have to slow down to merge into traffic. I cannot even imagine how stunted the road driving experience in a GT2 must be in day to day traffic. (not that I wouldn't enjoy finding out)
Anyway, I mod to increase what I crave in my driving experience, good handling, a nice sound, good looks, and crisp clean and smooth throttle response.... If money were no object I would probably be a GT3RS owner.
Jason
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Lots of good stuff but no one seems to answer your question. Lots of good software available to reflash (fabspeed.com, awe, evoms.com,GIAC, and many more). This alone about a $1100 installed, I think, and adds only a few ponies but dramatically changes hp and tq at the low end - just like taking 3-400 #s out of the car. Another 4-6k to get decent headers, cats, mufflers, and a better air intake. Down side is that this is money you'll never get back in this market. Upside is that you would have a car that will out gun the new S with PDK everywhere except maybe the 0-60 if the 09 guy is using his launch control ( and to many of us it will sound a hell of a lot better).
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