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Old Dec 6, 2009 | 09:14 AM
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I really don't care if the technology is shared (both ways mind you) it has for years, as long as I don't see any VW embossed cast pcs on my new car.
 
Old Dec 6, 2009 | 11:29 AM
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My feeling is that Porsche would benefit from much of what Audi has to offer, the few items mentioned prior being examples of where Audi was ahead in the tech department. Audi had direct fuel injection std for all models from 2005 vs Porsche's "new" DI system only recently. Even BMW had it in 2007. Full CAN system from 997.5 models (except 2005 cayenne, still ayear later that Audi) where Audi was using it years in advance. Just a few examples. What reasons were you thing as to why the tech would be flowing the other direction?
Audi introduced DI first but where did the know-how come from? Weissach.

Same for DSG. Weissach invented it. PAG took its time to bring PDK to market and the result shows.

Technology does not happen. Tech is developed and it takes time and resources. Weissach has been there a long time and there is where the know-how exists. BTW, Weissach works for many auto cos, not only VW or Audi.

You ought to bone up on Porsche history and facts... . Cars are my Life by Ferry Porsche is a good reference.
 
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Audi introduced DI first but where did the know-how come from? Weissach.
Is that true, or did Bosch or Continental bring that to the industry? I never considered Porsche to be a leader in fuel system design.
 
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Originally Posted by Sweeper
I really don't care if the technology is shared (both ways mind you) it has for years, as long as I don't see any VW embossed cast pcs on my new car.
It is going to happen, many Porsche Cayenne parts are the same as the Touareg and they have VW and Porsche logos on them. The Bentleys and Lambos have many parts from the VAG parts bin that are on VW as well. It is part of the cost savings process. If the cars are true to it's heritage and great to drive, I would really care if the VW logo is on it (besides I have owned enough VAG produced cars that it doesn't seem odd to me).
 
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don't care about pre or post-vw, but I predict that 6 speed manual cars will be worth more than tip or pdk in the future as they will become relatively rare.
 
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don't care about pre or post-vw, but I predict that 6 speed manual cars will be worth more than tip or pdk in the future as they will become relatively rare.
I think that most logical development for manual gearbox will be transformation of it into additional 100% electronic interface on top of standard PDK gearbox, essentially transforming in same way as accelerator pedal has transformed.
 
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don't care about pre or post-vw, but I predict that 6 speed manual cars will be worth more than tip or pdk in the future as they will become relatively rare.
Now there's a shift in gears:-)
 
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Originally Posted by NorthVan
It is going to happen, many Porsche Cayenne parts are the same as the Touareg and they have VW and Porsche logos on them. The Bentleys and Lambos have many parts from the VAG parts bin that are on VW as well. It is part of the cost savings process. If the cars are true to it's heritage and great to drive, I would really care if the VW logo is on it (besides I have owned enough VAG produced cars that it doesn't seem odd to me).
I know the shared platforms are what is needed to survive in this economy, and more so to be profitable. Let the Cayenne have the shared parts, and even the entry level P-car (R32 Golfster) coming can share with Audi/VW.
I really implore VAG/PAG to not screw with the 911, no other cheaper VW alternative. Please no shared parts on a friggen Rsomething audi, or lambo angle monster. Just slight improvments from the P engineers. If they want to look at others to get some idea's go for it, just don't dip from the exact parts bin. JMHO Sorry for the rant
 
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Just slight improvments from the P engineers. If they want to look at others to get some idea's go for it, just don't dip from the exact parts bin. JMHO Sorry for the rant
not going to happen. fuel pumps, electric sockets, controllers, then more critical things like actual gears, bearings, microswitches, all that small stuff gets unified and the way it works - they have huge unified parts catalog and designers will have to overhaul entire vehicle to utilize all available parts from there. any non-standard part goes as a project penalty.

it`s the usual end for any luxurious non-profitable brands - to become nice looking ford taurus from inside, with inherited ford taurus reliability.
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
I think that most logical development for manual gearbox will be transformation of it into additional 100% electronic interface on top of standard PDK gearbox, essentially transforming in same way as accelerator pedal has transformed.
Yep, you may well be right, maybe even something like the (defeatable) auto rev-match feature that Nissan put into the 370Z manual transmission. The SynchroRev Match transmission will automatically blip the throttle on downshifts to perfectly match RPM, and it can be turned off for those who prefer to handle these duties themselves.
 
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Originally Posted by Sweeper
I know the shared platforms are what is needed to survive in this economy, and more so to be profitable. Let the Cayenne have the shared parts, and even the entry level P-car (R32 Golfster) coming can share with Audi/VW.
I really implore VAG/PAG to not screw with the 911, no other cheaper VW alternative. Please no shared parts on a friggen Rsomething audi, or lambo angle monster. Just slight improvments from the P engineers. If they want to look at others to get some idea's go for it, just don't dip from the exact parts bin. JMHO Sorry for the rant
It is going to happen to some degree, my father in laws Bentley Azure has the same power seat controls as my Touareg. All the Lambo's use Audi gauges, window switches, and Nav Units (amongst other parts). VAG makes some great products, they have revived Bentley, Lambo, and brought back the Bugatti name and produced the Veyron. I know what you meant about keeping the 911 true to it's history, but for Porsche to remain at the top they are going need to continue to advance the car.
 
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Originally Posted by NorthVan
VAG makes some great products, they have
It`s quite a valid point - VAG is not really known for issues with parts, their quality control is on proper level.

If corporate VW will not press Porsche to put VW Golf engine into 911 we probably may not loose sleep over this merge.
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
It`s quite a valid point - VAG is not really known for issues with parts, their quality control is on proper level.

If corporate VW will not press Porsche to put VW Golf engine into 911 we probably may not loose sleep over this merge.
Does this have the sounds of a modern day 912 or what
 
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
It`s quite a valid point - VAG is not really known for issues with parts, their quality control is on proper level.

If corporate VW will not press Porsche to put VW Golf engine into 911 we probably may not loose sleep over this merge.

Until they can make a CV boot that lasts more than 49K miles I will not buy another new product from them.

Both CV boots on my 2006 A3 broke in the same spot at 49K and they would not cover it under warranty.
 
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Until they can make a CV boot that lasts more than 49K miles I will not buy another new product from them.

Both CV boots on my 2006 A3 broke in the same spot at 49K and they would not cover it under warranty.
I can understand how frustrating that is and we see that all the time on the Audi models. Problem is, we see it on the Porsche's too but not as much since most are rear drive and no left right movement. The Audis are typically left and right front outters that fail.

The main issue is not VAG but with the suppliers. GKN-Lobro has made the joint boots for all German makes for ever. To be fair, it's not even really their fault. In European Union, they have Green laws requiring a high percentage of recycled materials to be used in all new plastic and rubber products. Thats why the rubber and plastic parts are not lasting as long as they used to. Nothing beats virgin plastic and rubber. Recycled materials degrade far faster and just about every auto maker is using them for cost and for environmental conservation. To my mind, however, how much more earth friendly is it when you have to replace a recycled material part 2 times to one?
 


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