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Old 02-01-2011, 07:13 AM
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Check out last months issue of Excellence magazine...a whole lot of pages devoted to IMS and RMS failures and what to do about them.
 
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i would not defend Porsche on IMS related failures. It is obvious they have highly inconsistent reaction to dealing with such stuff - some people apparently get engine replacement covered, even if car is off warranty, other people get forced to pay 100% plus install charges, some get some 'discount' or forced to pay for install labor but not engine itself, it is pretty bad.

but i do not think there is any ground for litigation here.
 
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Check out issue 69 of Total 911 magazine (may still be on newstands in U.S.) - talks all about this issue - they project the IMS issue affects only 5% (at most 10%) of the models/year range with the M96/7 engines. Most cars that have the issue are driven at low RPMs and are low mileage cars, but there's no foolproof way to predict or categorize which cars will be affected.
 
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I have a feeling that because it was his first post and he has not come back, he was simply trying to stir up a crowd. He won't be back.
 
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Originally Posted by JTaylorGT
Check out issue 69 of Total 911 magazine (may still be on newstands in U.S.) - talks all about this issue - they project the IMS issue affects only 5% (at most 10%) of the models/year range with the M96/7 engines. Most cars that have the issue are driven at low RPMs and are low mileage cars, but there's no foolproof way to predict or categorize which cars will be affected.
GT- I have read in other threads that it is the low mileage, low rpm driven cars that are prone to IMS failure. Is there any reliable data that supports this or could it be hearsay? If Porsche won't release data on the number of failures how can we know any specifics on which cars failed?
 
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Originally Posted by JTaylorGT
Check out issue 69 of Total 911 magazine (may still be on newstands in U.S.) - talks all about this issue - they project the IMS issue affects only 5% (at most 10%) of the models/year range with the M96/7 engines. Most cars that have the issue are driven at low RPMs and are low mileage cars, but there's no foolproof way to predict or categorize which cars will be affected.
My CPO'ed 05 base 997 was bought in 2008 with 36 K miles. After driving it an additional 300 miles the IMS went and I got a new engine.

Doesn't seem to fit the low milage theory.
 
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He hasnt replied to any of the questions. Did you have the car serviced regulary? Did you contact the service manager and request Porsche look at the engine before you agreed to pay out of pocket? What is the actual story behind the car? Are you the original owner? Did you purchase from the dealer or private party? How many miles were on the engine when the IMS failed?
We have many questions before we can make any suggestions regarding your matter.
 
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Excellence magazine

Can the articles in the Excellence and Total 911 be used
to support the lawsuit against Porsche's troubled engine?
 
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Can the articles in the Excellence and Total 911 be used to support the lawsuit against Porsche's troubled engine?
That's what I was thinking.. From reading both articles, it's obvious Porsche knows the problem exists, yet it appears they choose to fix the problem as it occurs. However, once you're out of warranty, it's a $10K service bill to get it fixed.

A good lawyer might have a case.
 
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Originally Posted by NC 997
However, once you're out of warranty, it's a $10K service bill to get it fixed.

A good lawyer might have a case.

Thats not entirely true. There have been postings where engine failure outside of warranty has been fixed by Porsche. Some had to pay labor, some had the whole tab picked up.
 
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And is it really 'only' $10k? Hardly worth a lawsuit for $10k, but I thought it would cost more.
 
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2005 Carrera S Engine Failure

My '05, 22,700 miles, perfect maintenance records by the dealer, etc. had intermediate shaft failure. Anyone in Orange County, CA recommend a mechanic to make the repair/rebuild the engine?
 
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OP is probably gone but there's an extensive poll which is ongoing on www.rennlist.com in the 997 section.

Its hovering around 5% of owners who are actually on the forum. Mileage and other details are also being provided.

I just don't know how a luxury car brand such as Porsche who touts their engineering to be something special would let this continue in their cars. Money is the obvious one...who gives a S%*t about reputation....LOL.
 
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Originally Posted by Jetpilot3
I just don't know how a luxury car brand such as Porsche who touts their engineering to be something special would let this continue in their cars. Money is the obvious one...who gives a S%*t about reputation....LOL.
Well, wouldn't a viable explanation of their behavior simply be that these aren't happening in a statistically significant number? One would think that as soon as these failures became commonplace they'd be forced to acknowledge it. That said, I'm not sure what the percentage cutoff is between insignificant and significant.

Given that people are getting $1.55 class settlements for Ticketmaster and $.05 for Ebay, you'd think there would be a viable class if these things were happening in numbers that are alarming. Right?
 


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