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Old Mar 21, 2011 | 01:30 PM
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new car seat rules

What sort of BS is that?

http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/ap/us...seats_children

how in the world can one fit a 2 year old into rear back-faced infant carseat? My 1 year old does not fit into one anymore and there is no space for her legs left there at all. who in the world comes out with such BS?
 
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who would not fare better if they rode around backwards. Even adults would fare better in a frontal crash if their seats were facing the rear. There is no chance that my kids would tolerate having their knees in their chest on every drive. They are bigger now and they jump in their own boosters and buckle themselves up. I can't wait for the car from the movie Demolition man. I'd love to be in a car that fills with foam on impact!!
 
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government gets totally out of control. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should build roads and bridges and not waste our money on telling me how to sit my kids into my car. Next they will start telling me what chairs to use in my living room. Bastards.
 

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government gets totally out of control. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should build roads and bridges and not waste our money on telling me how to sit my kids into my car. Next they will start telling me what chairs to use in my living room. Bastards.
Now, now........
 
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government gets totally out of control. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration should build roads and bridges and not waste our money on telling me how to sit my kids into my car. Next they will start telling me what chairs to use in my living room. Bastards.
Soon they will decide that to eliminate the possibility of child fatalities in cars, kids won't be allowed to ride in cars. We have too many people who sit around trying to come up with ideas that will eliminate all risks, which of course is impossible. There has to be a reasonable trade-off, but these people don't accept that.
 
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I kept my son rear facing as long as possible and he's a tall (95th percentile for height). I'd rather have a safe and uncomfortable kid than a comfortable paralyzed one. It's one of the reasons I waited until he was 2 before I bought my 997.
 
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There was a very interesting talk by Steven Levitt on this very subject at TED a couple of years back:
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/st..._carseats.html

Abstract: "Steven Levitt shares data that shows car seats are no more effective than seatbelts in protecting kids from dying in cars. However, during the question and answer session, he makes one crucial caveat."

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The TED article is a very interesting article, but the data is very specific- it deals with fatalities in kids 2 years and above. He even admits in the end that although there's no real difference in deaths, there is some research which shows a difference in injuries. Plus, this talk is 6 years old. The new recommendations are to prevent spinal injuries in kids 2 years and younger.

I remember when I was a kid always riding unrestrained in a bench in the back of our Dodge Van that was surrounded on all sides by windows. It's a wonder I survived childhood.
 
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I remember when I was a kid always riding unrestrained in a bench in the back of our Dodge Van that was surrounded on all sides by windows. It's a wonder I survived childhood.
Same thing here. My grandfather had a demolition company. When I was a kid, he would drive me around and bring me to his woksite riding in his bronco with no airbags, no safety belts, not headrests, and explosives in the backseat...

Now, my wife has a heart attack if I forget to position the shoulder pads correctly when I put my sons in their seats.

Progress,

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I remember when I was a kid always riding unrestrained in a bench in the back of our Dodge Van that was surrounded on all sides by windows. It's a wonder I survived childhood.
No sh$t.
At least we had a normal childhood. Nowadays it is all about this imaginary 'safety' - mostly for insurance compliance purposes.
It is amazing how those creeps succeeded in distorting whole normal way of life - and all it takes to do so is to get into well thought lobbying then start on pursuing all this BS 'for the sake of the humanity' at the taxpayers expense, and then all the hell brakes loose.
 
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I'm headed to Home Depot this weekend to get some foam and grey pleather to make my own custom booster seats for the backseats. None of the commercial ones fit. The whole purpose of the booster seat for kids older than 2 is to get them sitting high enough so the shoulder belt fits properly across their chest. I used to use throw cushions in my Maserati, but I want something that looks more authentic in case I get stopped.
 
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I use the recaro Vivo (~ $90) and it works great in the back of my C2S for my 3 and 6 yr olds. It is a full size booster seat so the kids cannot move sideways and displace the seatbelt as much as a short booster - I found that it's half the battle with the small rugrats to keep them seated without leaning front/left/right all the time. It also has great head bolsters so the kids can take a nap comfortably on longer runs. I removed the seat backs for a little bit more leg room.

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P.S.: I also have the Combi Dakota and, while the form factor is great for the 997, the kids do not find it as comfortable.
 

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This is why we need less government, not more. So far these are just recommendations and are not the law of the land...yet. Keep an eye on your state government and let your reps know your feelings on the subject.
 
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I just checked out the Recaro seats online and they look great. It appears they have a hard plastic base that is narrower than the seat itself which fits into the bucketseat bottom of the 997? How difficult was it to remove the seat backs? Did you anchor the Recaros to the car or are they sitting free?

This may be a better solution for me than fashioning my own.
 
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This is why we need less government, not more. So far these are just recommendations and are not the law of the land...yet. Keep an eye on your state government and let your reps know your feelings on the subject.
your reps would not care less of what you feel or do not feel, they are in bed with local unions and lobbyists and other way more important matters than any of us have to deal with in life. if they would care - we long time ago would fix immigration, education, healthcare, etc. reps will only talk of what is considered safe for them to talk about - gay marriages and importance of deep space exploration.

this whole system stopped working long time ago when a pursuit of 'popularity' substituted common sense.
 


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