$28k damage record - I should run away, right?
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That's a pretty big collision.
Honestly after my last car was in an accident, it changed my opinion on cars with a history a lot. If properly repaired, you'd never know the difference. I'd get a very good bodyshop that I trust to check the car out.
But, a lot of people will be scared off from buying it, so you should expect to both purchase it heavily discounted and have some difficulty selling it - heavily discounted.
Honestly after my last car was in an accident, it changed my opinion on cars with a history a lot. If properly repaired, you'd never know the difference. I'd get a very good bodyshop that I trust to check the car out.
But, a lot of people will be scared off from buying it, so you should expect to both purchase it heavily discounted and have some difficulty selling it - heavily discounted.
Yeah, I guess if I'm serious about this car I need to see what kind of repair records the dealer has and then get a thorough PDI done by a local Porsche dealer (or knowledgeable independent).
look for car in the US.
I bought a CPO 2006 C2S cab with 32 000 mls for $51k, 2 years ago from a Porsche dealer.
I had an importation company doing everything for me. they bought the car, imported it (paper work, towing...) and they sold me the car for 51k+import taxes and fees + towing + $500 (their work)
easy.
Porsche.com. location: USA
search used cars.
find the one you want
fly there, test drive, PPI by another Porsche dealer
get the importation company to buy it for you and import.
ENJOY!
you won't save much today with exchange rate.
but instead of having to choose between 5 porsches in Canada, you have 50 in USA that meet you personal requirement/taste
I bought a CPO 2006 C2S cab with 32 000 mls for $51k, 2 years ago from a Porsche dealer.
I had an importation company doing everything for me. they bought the car, imported it (paper work, towing...) and they sold me the car for 51k+import taxes and fees + towing + $500 (their work)
easy.
Porsche.com. location: USA
search used cars.
find the one you want
fly there, test drive, PPI by another Porsche dealer
get the importation company to buy it for you and import.
ENJOY!
you won't save much today with exchange rate.
but instead of having to choose between 5 porsches in Canada, you have 50 in USA that meet you personal requirement/taste
Importing a car is pretty easy, no need to pay someone else to do it.
All the info you need to do it is at www.riv.ca. For transport you can drive it, or have it moved. For international vehicle relocation I would strongly suggest TFX International and recommend that you avoid a company called Livingston International.
When you visit the customs office to pay the duties/taxes they need to determine the value of the vehicle to figure out what to charge you. Some officers will ask for the bill of sale right away, but if they don't, don't volunteer it. Sometimes they will attempt to determine the value through KBB or similar, which of course is always lower than what cars actually cost, and this will reduce the car's value on paper so you pay less tax.
All the info you need to do it is at www.riv.ca. For transport you can drive it, or have it moved. For international vehicle relocation I would strongly suggest TFX International and recommend that you avoid a company called Livingston International.
When you visit the customs office to pay the duties/taxes they need to determine the value of the vehicle to figure out what to charge you. Some officers will ask for the bill of sale right away, but if they don't, don't volunteer it. Sometimes they will attempt to determine the value through KBB or similar, which of course is always lower than what cars actually cost, and this will reduce the car's value on paper so you pay less tax.
Thanks for all the great input, very helpful. Since the CAD $ has weakened I've only had a cursory look at the US market, but maybe it's worthwhile checking out still.
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Welcome to the site. Aside from the extensive damage the car apparently suffered, the fact that it has such a low amount of miles since the collision is concerning. Not enough time or driving to really determine of everything is working as it should. Definitely a PPI by an extremely knowledgable 997 mechanic with crash experience to ID any issues. Aside from that the price should be at least 10K below market value for this car assuming it passes the PPI with flying colors and you can get your hands on the accident report and repair estimate showing all of the damage and parts. Photos of the damage would be very important too. All shops take photos of their repairs before, during and after. Good luck.
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I agree with everybody else, run, remember 911 have all the mechanicals engine, transmission in the back, The high repair bill is probably because the engine was damaged in some form, plus the miles don't seem that low, I purchased my 2008 911s cab last year with 28k miles on it, there are so many options out there that I would not go with the damaged car just because you may end up spending more in repairs, specially since the accident seem to have happened at the very heart of the car, that awesome boxer engine....
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For a car with a big accident, PPI is not sufficient. I would get a trustworthy body shop to get it up on a hoist, inspect the work done, and measure the frame for straightness.
A bill that high suggests that some pretty serious work. I would be curious to learn exactly what happened.
A bill that high suggests that some pretty serious work. I would be curious to learn exactly what happened.
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I completely destroyed the front end of my e92 M3 on a steel bumper of a lifted god-damn monster truck and when I sold it many places inspected it. The repair work was preety amazing to be honest. I drove it for 30k miles with no issues after the accident occured. I think nowadays most professional places can fix things very well, and it will function fine even to the discerning person if you ensure they don't skip any steps. (happened, I had to correct them on a few things but it turned out just fine).
Something others haven't mentioned; compare the amount you are "saving" because of its damage history, to the amount you would lose in depreciation (eventually, when you intend to move to something else maybe 4 years from now or something like that) if you paid, say, 10k more for the exact same car (miles, etc.). I think that would be the best argument, given you do get it inspected by a disinterested 3rd party.
Plus, if you get that third party there to talk about it he could maybe pressure them in coming down on the price? "look at these shoddy welds, what is this crap over here? jesus etc. etc."
Something others haven't mentioned; compare the amount you are "saving" because of its damage history, to the amount you would lose in depreciation (eventually, when you intend to move to something else maybe 4 years from now or something like that) if you paid, say, 10k more for the exact same car (miles, etc.). I think that would be the best argument, given you do get it inspected by a disinterested 3rd party.
Plus, if you get that third party there to talk about it he could maybe pressure them in coming down on the price? "look at these shoddy welds, what is this crap over here? jesus etc. etc."
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I completely destroyed the front end of my e92 M3 on a steel bumper of a lifted god-damn monster truck and when I sold it many places inspected it. The repair work was preety amazing to be honest. I drove it for 30k miles with no issues after the accident occured. I think nowadays most professional places can fix things very well, and it will function fine even to the discerning person if you ensure they don't skip any steps. (happened, I had to correct them on a few things but it turned out just fine).
Something others haven't mentioned; compare the amount you are "saving" because of its damage history, to the amount you would lose in depreciation (eventually, when you intend to move to something else maybe 4 years from now or something like that) if you paid, say, 10k more for the exact same car (miles, etc.). I think that would be the best argument, given you do get it inspected by a disinterested 3rd party.
Plus, if you get that third party there to talk about it he could maybe pressure them in coming down on the price? "look at these shoddy welds, what is this crap over here? jesus etc. etc."
Something others haven't mentioned; compare the amount you are "saving" because of its damage history, to the amount you would lose in depreciation (eventually, when you intend to move to something else maybe 4 years from now or something like that) if you paid, say, 10k more for the exact same car (miles, etc.). I think that would be the best argument, given you do get it inspected by a disinterested 3rd party.
Plus, if you get that third party there to talk about it he could maybe pressure them in coming down on the price? "look at these shoddy welds, what is this crap over here? jesus etc. etc."
Thanks all. Seems like a full inspection by both Porsche and an independent body shop would be the way to go, provided they have the service records for the car and the repair details available. And, I'd have to do some hard bargaining on price (though the price is already significantly less than non-accidented comparables). Finally, what are my long term plans in terms of length of ownership and expectations for resale (time and cost).
The big draw to this car is the fact that it is a 4S. I'm sure I could find a standard Carrera (non-4, non-S) with similar miles for the same money, so maybe I should just aim for a clean "basic" 997.1 for my first Porsche and save the 4S for my second.
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Simple question to answer - Don't even consider it. With that much damage and so little miles put on since you can bet there will be issues that have not been worked out yet. Saving a little money will not be worth the headaches.
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