How would they know? They never dyno'd it...

Get back to us when you have independent HP numbers and performance data that wasn't published by RUF.

They make a great product but there is no way I would ever spend that kind of money without seeing real data from a customer's car.

I still don't have an explanation as to why Hans wouldn't publish or give out the dyno runs that they did on the car from their shop. That would concern me.

I can't wrap my head around what RUF offers for more than double the cost of their competition. Their "published" dynos are not any more impressive than EVO's or TPC's. There's already a bunch of high mileage EVO cars out there demonstrating the longevity of their conversion. So what are you paying for then? I supposed if you had a CA car and you're trying to sneak it past the inspectors... Frankly I love going to car shows and popping the bonnet to show off the polished blower.

 

But really, who cares what a dyno says or what a manufacturer says - did any of us buy a 997 (or for that matter any car) based on performance stats whether or not supported by a dyno? I didn't buy the Ruf conversion based on dyno info. I looked at EVO and was quite impressed with the reviews and the stated performance increases but decided on the Ruf, just like I decided on a C4S as opposed to a C2 - it's what I wanted. Maybe absent dyno info, an alternative would be to drive a Ruf, an EVO and a TPC and use that as a form of comparison. Before long we'll get the C6 guys asking again why we all paid a premium for the 997.

 

ok so now i have to wait 1 week more before install seems the kit needs special brackets becuase its a c4s.......anybody with a c4s supercharger?

 

No need to dyno a stock car. There are plenty of magazine tests and owners to back up the manuf. claims.

The RUF kit however is a complete unknown. It's a sound design and uses the finest parts, but no one besides the manuf. is providing info on whether or not you should spend more than double what the EVO costs.

As far as sampling kits, that's what I did. Minus the RUF as no one had the sack to pony up the 25K for it at the time , I went out in a TPC car and an EVO car. Due dilligence is critical when doing such an extreme mod to your car. I'm not taking anyone's word on anything....

 

OK - let me know if you ever get close to Denver and we'll go for a ride...but more snow for tomorrow - this is getting old - can't wait for spring.

 

Move to Florida. I was riding with the top down two days ago

 

No need to dyno a stock car? LOL! I am sure a lot of RX-8, RS4, M5 E39 etc. owners would disagree.

And from what I've heard some 997 Carrera owners should be a bit worried as well, altough it is not a common problem.

You take paid journalists words but not owners words? How funny is that.

You must have missed all the magazines that have tried and tested the RUF Kompressor. I must have read at least 10 articles and tests.
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=5
http://www.autobild.de/test/neuwagen...tikel_id=11396

0-250 km/h in 23 secs for the R Kompressor, with 435 hp.
And the car tested is a "customer car."

Who needs a dyno when a Viper SRT-10 with 506 ps does it in 24,3 secs.
The Porsche 996 Turbo 420 ps need 27 secs up to 250 km/h.These are all figures from AMS or AutoBild, nothing I measured myself.


You mention the RUF price tag every time. I don't know, but maybe that's where the focus on the problem is for you?

 

I have seen the first article previously. All they did was regurgitate the power that RUF reports. With regards to the second article, I don't speak German.

While I'm sure there is a small margin of error (ie over inflation) with regards to factory claims, more often than not it's usually pretty close. My car dyno'd within 3 hp of the porsche factory rating when I did my before runs.

I think you're missing my point. We don't have any real testing here in the US with actual customers. Using the major forums as a cross section of the porsche community, I've only seen two kits installed in the states thus far. There are no published dyno runs with customer cars. As far as I can tell, there are no high mileage RUF conversions either.

You still haven't answered why Hans wouldn't publish or release the dyno runs on the car they did there in Dallas....

As far as the price, yes, I have issue with it. I think it's obscene for the performance it provides. I don't have issue with the quality, I'm sure it's top notch. I just feel like it's over engineered and overpriced for the performance it offers. I can see no advantages at this point with the RUF kit over the EVO or the TPC, at the current price tag of $25K. Now if the price was the same or even close, it would be a much more appealing kit. The lack of a dealer network is a whole different issue I have with this setup.

How many kits has RUF sold in the states? 2,3,5? EVO has sold over 100 at this point and I believe even TPC is well over 25.



To quote from the R&T article:

After half a day with the R Kompressor touring the Swabian countryside, it's tough not to want one. The 3.8 R Kompressor may just be the ideal car for tooling around in Southern California: stylish, smooth-mannered yet very fast. Now the trick is coming up with $135,000 to buy one.

Hmmm.... at that price point? a 997 RUF Komp or a 997TT or a 997GT3. Tough call I can tell you which car I wouldn't buy


If I'm not mistaken, you work for RUF don't you?

 

From the sidelines, as $$ painful as it may be, I'd have to go with RUF.

I've watched 3 evo SC owners try to get out of their cars - ouch. There was a black cab in CA with lots of goodys, sold for 50 and change. The black S in SF didn't sell, the owner was going to part it out. And just recently, Azexotic was going nuts trying to get out of his.

Anything but a RUF is easy to get in, but hell to get out of, unless you plan to keep it forever - but we know what the crowd around here is like

Overall, pride of ownership and TOTAL ownership cost, the RUF is a better option.

 

I agree with RUF vin cars and RUF upraded turbos. You won't take nearly the beating. They seem to do very well.

Are you trying to say that the EVO supercharged actually devalued the car, or that they did not get their mod money back when they sold?

I would be willing to bet when it comes time to sell the Kompressor, they'll take it in the shorts as bad as everybody else. The Kompressor isn't a good value when other porsches can be had with better performance for less money.

Not to mention the reversal process for the RUF is very expensive.

 

I am sorry but The World doesn't spin around Florida, or USA for that matter.

How many kits have EVO sold in Europe?

AFAIK there is not one EVO car in the country I live in (Sweden), nor any in the adjacent countries. They have sold 0 kits, correct me if I am wrong.

But if I like I could take a vacation and fly to England to test drive an EVO demo car with the steering wheel on the right side (scary experience if you haven't tried).

But I see no reasons to do this when the price for the EVO kit vs. the RUF kit only differ around 10%...Hmmm...Who's expensive now?

Get my point?

 

The above goes for TPC as well, apart for that I'm not sure they sell in the EU at all? Anyway couldn't find anything. So I'd have to take a flight to Maryland. I haven't been to the US lately so could be fun I wonder if they would send me a tech to Sweden if I had any problems?

 

I do know that of the 3 evo SC cars that I've seen on the market it was no fun at all for the sellers.

The guy with the black cab took it in the shorts and moved on to a CGT. The black S didn't sell and is still with it's owner in SFA. You can read of Azextoc's experience... He jumped in at $79, did 300 miles and got out $69k - maybe. Ouch!

You can tell I'd like an Evo SC too but what's the old saying "jump in haste, repent at leisure..."

I'm going to leave SC's alone. Turbo for me

 

Personally ..

If I planned on selling the car: Evo (and then take it off).
If I planned on keeping the car: Ruf..

I guess Hans prefers his cars do do the talking .. I am not completely sold on the Ruf kit tho (i want dyno's!) to at least justify the cost.

 

Fore has a good point about resale, as good as the tpc/evo kits may be, you will suffer on resale, a number of folks on this board have experienced that first hand. This will not happen with a Ruf conversion, Ruf has a name that's world renowned, they are more than just a tuner, they are an auto manufacturer. They are that good. I think they sell the best SC kit out there hands down, as evidenced by their warranty. Come resale time it's worth the 25k. You gotta look at the whole cost of ownership as somebody mentioned. If cost was not an issue, which setup would you really rather have?
If mine had had less miles I would have done it in a flash, but I got the TT-new car bug.