ERP Triple Carbon Clutch 'made to be slipped'?
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ERP Triple Carbon Clutch 'made to be slipped'?
Originally posted this on RL, but just realized it's probably more fitting here.
I've been doing some reading about the ERP triple disc clutch. (Mostly purely academic, as my car is 100% stock so far, and I doubt I'll ever do more than a tune and an exhaust, but anyway.) I was interested to see it said a few times, including from the horse's mouth here:
> You can slip it for as long as you want on launch or you can drop it without damaging or glazing the clutch.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-clutches.html
What I'm wondering is, can you take that literally? Like.. you could launch the car and modulate the clutch to keep the engine at the peak of the power band without breaking traction, and that wouldn't damage the clutch?
And does this mean you could use it to get a similar boosted launch to what the automatic cars do with the torque converter? IE hold the brakes, heel-toe the revs up to 4k or so, then slip the clutch enough to load the engine and build boost, before letting the brakes off and taking off like a rocket? (Still slipping the clutch enough to keep traction, because why not :P )
After a life of driving manual cars, the thought of that makes me cringe, but if it really is literally true that you can slip this clutch "as much as you want" without damage, it sounds worth the price even if you're not planning to go for big power, assuming you enjoy quick launches occasionally. (Would even protect the rest of the drive train from stresses in those situations.)
Can someone confirm, or set me straight? And if it can indeed do these things, I'd love an explanation of how it's accomplished. Intuitively it seems like slip must = wear, but I really don't have any understanding of the mechanics of a multi-disc clutch. Finally, if this clutch is indeed as good as it sounds, does all the same go for their double carbon version?
I've been doing some reading about the ERP triple disc clutch. (Mostly purely academic, as my car is 100% stock so far, and I doubt I'll ever do more than a tune and an exhaust, but anyway.) I was interested to see it said a few times, including from the horse's mouth here:
> You can slip it for as long as you want on launch or you can drop it without damaging or glazing the clutch.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...-clutches.html
What I'm wondering is, can you take that literally? Like.. you could launch the car and modulate the clutch to keep the engine at the peak of the power band without breaking traction, and that wouldn't damage the clutch?
And does this mean you could use it to get a similar boosted launch to what the automatic cars do with the torque converter? IE hold the brakes, heel-toe the revs up to 4k or so, then slip the clutch enough to load the engine and build boost, before letting the brakes off and taking off like a rocket? (Still slipping the clutch enough to keep traction, because why not :P )
After a life of driving manual cars, the thought of that makes me cringe, but if it really is literally true that you can slip this clutch "as much as you want" without damage, it sounds worth the price even if you're not planning to go for big power, assuming you enjoy quick launches occasionally. (Would even protect the rest of the drive train from stresses in those situations.)
Can someone confirm, or set me straight? And if it can indeed do these things, I'd love an explanation of how it's accomplished. Intuitively it seems like slip must = wear, but I really don't have any understanding of the mechanics of a multi-disc clutch. Finally, if this clutch is indeed as good as it sounds, does all the same go for their double carbon version?
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that should have said yes it will eventually wear - many of those carbon clutches aren't designed for street use where they are slipped a lot in traffic - they are designed to hold tremendous amounts of torque not be modulated in traffic. I ran a triple carbon in my supra and it worked fine though I got more than 30k miles out of it with plenty left, and I drag raced and beat the **** out of it.
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997TT SilverSpool - 210.8 mph 1/2 Mile WR Apr 2019, 9.2 @ 168 mph 1/4 Mile Manual World Record , 3.15 60-130 mph , 2.72 100-150 mph , 1400whp E85
996TT SpoolBus - 204.6 mph 1/2 Mile 996TT WR Aug 2018, 9.5 @ 154 mph, 3.23 60-130 mph, 2.5 100-150 mph Manual Porsche World Record, 1400whp E85
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Every time I see that video that a MANUAL STREET car, on the STREETS hit 2.8sec to 60 I am like
.....I need to go back to school and or change hardware!
!! To see that much power hook on the streets like that is impressive with a street tire that can turn!I have a ERP Triple/Triple (not the latest revision), but looks like I need some R888, maybe DSC Module and some ..a lot of seat time with my VBOX!!