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orygunturbo Sep 21, 2011 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by Steve Jarvis (Post 3320261)
I believe I read somewhere that someone used GT3 heads/cams on their turbo. I assume this would add a lot to the top end numbers and flatten the high rpm torque curve.

Of course you would lose bottom end torque in the process and I believe 98% of the people here would be more than happy to have prodigymb's numbers. :) I know I would.

Later, Steve

Are we talking about happiness or tuning? If it's a combination of both then I agree. I'm talking strictly from a tuning/performance perspective. Imho, there is definite room for improvement. The difference between the Evoms and the OP's chart will readily be felt by the seat of the pants. In the OPs case, the car will pull hard until 5500 then it will feel bland after that whereas the Evoms's dyno posted will pull hard all the way through to just about red-line with even better low end tq. That's a big difference in my book.

johnspeed Sep 21, 2011 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by orygunturbo (Post 3320403)
Are we talking about happiness or tuning? If it's a combination of both then I agree. I'm talking strictly from a tuning/performance perspective. Imho, there is definite room for improvement. The difference between the Evoms and the OP's chart will readily be felt by the seat of the pants. In the OPs case, the car will pull hard until 5500 then it will feel bland after that whereas the Evoms's dyno posted will pull hard all the way through to just about red-line with even better low end tq. That's a big difference in my book.

Do you really think with all that HP and TQ it would feel bland OR you would really notice that in seat of the pants on the street??....By looking at my above dyno sheet dips after peaks,,you would THINK that also,,BUT I FEEL it pull strong to redline and can not tell their are those dips.......

Powell Sep 21, 2011 02:55 PM

I knew I was doing something wrong with my stock motor setup. If I would have just set my rev limiter to 6k where power peaked instead of 7800 I would have set the bar even higher for every stock motor 996TT. hilarioushilarious

greekc6 Sep 21, 2011 02:55 PM

mark congrats on the setup. looks like a perfect street toy setup!!!

dhahlen Sep 21, 2011 04:14 PM

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4...5wt5o1_500.jpg

k-ore Sep 21, 2011 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Tony@epl (Post 3320444)
Your comparing apples to oranges...

-Your comparing charts from 2 different cars, on 2 different dyno's that read completely different, on 2 different days.
-You dont know how the tunes differ and why.
-The non epl chart posted has a very artificial power spike with a sharp drop. I would say this drop would make the non epl car feel far more "bland".
-Both cars make with in 5-7 hps of each other at redline.
-The scaling is different, favoring the non epl chart because of short rpm range, smaller width of chart, and starting scale at 110 hp.
-A stock car makes 405 on the dyno of the non epl car... a stock car makes 330 on our dyno. So in reality the OP's car is making more power.

This thread is not really a good debate of whats really going on power band wise. There are just too many variables.

Great points Tony!

orygunturbo Sep 21, 2011 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by dhahlen (Post 3320506)

Such a useful post. Stroke of genious, really. Noboby is hating anybody (except maybe you of course). I'm really impressed with Tony and his answers. They are logical, valid and to the point without making it personal. It's a sad state of affairs when one can't make a comment and suggest that there is room for improvement without resorting to name calling. If people don't think that there's anymore HP left on the table after 5500 with this platform/set-up then that's fine. Watch out for those HPF M3's.;)

I will be curious to see what kind of 60-130 times this car will do. Any guesses based on the dyno? High 5s, maybe?

Mark @ AIM Performance Sep 21, 2011 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by orygunturbo (Post 3320384)
All that really matters is if your happy which you are so that's great. The rest is just a discussion. But the hump I was refering to is in the torque curve not HP. Despite your comments, this tq hump is NOT in the Evoms dyno chart with "Alphas (as you say)" and HP keeps climbing.

Why don't you just set your rev limiter to 5500 since you're not making any more power after that. You can save even more gas. ;)

"alphas" - still dont believe me. you are either dull or stubborn or arent good at comparing pictures on Tials website to EvoMS site - call EvoMS and ask.

LOL ok I'll get right on that. Tony send me a new file with 5.5k limit per our new resident expert noob's request so that when I shift to the next gear I dont land at 640whp but 100 less.


Originally Posted by orygunturbo (Post 3320403)
Are we talking about happiness or tuning? If it's a combination of both then I agree. I'm talking strictly from a tuning/performance perspective. Imho, there is definite room for improvement. The difference between the Evoms and the OP's chart will readily be felt by the seat of the pants. In the OPs case, the car will pull hard until 5500 then it will feel bland after that whereas the Evoms's dyno posted will pull hard all the way through to just about red-line with even better low end tq. That's a big difference in my book.

we are talking about porsche tuning which you dont know much about judging from your posts. nothing personal - but you should create a thread with your 996 powerband and redline concerns, mix in some M3 dynos and the thread will be a success for sure.


Originally Posted by Powell (Post 3320431)
I knew I was doing something wrong with my stock motor setup. If I would have just set my rev limiter to 6k where power peaked instead of 7800 I would have set the bar even higher for every stock motor 996TT. hilarioushilarious

6k is too high. 5.5k is really the max u should do. if you are revving to 7.8 your car must feel really bland hahaha hilarious


Originally Posted by greekc6 (Post 3320433)
mark congrats on the setup. looks like a perfect street toy setup!!!

stupid rain. cant test :(

Originally Posted by dhahlen (Post 3320506)


hilarious

orygunturbo Sep 21, 2011 05:30 PM


Originally Posted by johnspeed (Post 3320413)
Do you really think with all that HP and TQ it would feel bland OR you would really notice that in seat of the pants on the street??....By looking at my above dyno sheet dips after peaks,,you would THINK that also,,BUT I FEEL it pull strong to redline and can not tell their are those dips.......

It's all RELATIVE. OK, 2 different dyno curves, apples to oranges, I get all that. BUT, if the dynos were an ACCURATE representation of peformance the one with flat HP will feel bland COMPARED to the other which continuously increases.

Mark @ AIM Performance Sep 21, 2011 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by orygunturbo (Post 3320568)
It's all RELATIVE. OK, 2 different dyno curves, apples to oranges, I get all that. BUT, if the dynos were an ACCURATE representation of peformance the one with flat HP will feel bland COMPARED to the other which continuously increases.


u must have a heck of a 996 if 800 crank from 5-7.1k feels bland to u ;)

orygunturbo Sep 21, 2011 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by prodigymb (Post 3320570)
u must have a heck of a 996 if 800 crank from 5-7.1k feels bland to u ;)

What do you think your car will run 60-130?

c32AMG-DTM Sep 21, 2011 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by orygunturbo (Post 3320568)
It's all RELATIVE. OK, 2 different dyno curves, apples to oranges, I get all that. BUT, if the dynos were an ACCURATE representation of peformance the one with flat HP will feel bland COMPARED to the other which continuously increases.

Check the before and after graphs of the GT2RS in this thread, it may provide some insight:

https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ls-inside.html

Observation: sure, you can tune for a flat torque curve (just look at the stock curve) and, subsequently, a rising powerband... but you wind up giving up a lot of area under the curve when doing so with these engines. Now, if you build the motor and change the heads, cams, Ti valvetrain, etc etc - results might be different of course.

Mark @ AIM Performance Sep 21, 2011 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by orygunturbo (Post 3320575)
What do you think your car will run 60-130?

i dont know to be honest. im not too good at the PBox, i do have one. there are a lot of tricks and variables to getting the times.

Savetheclutch Sep 21, 2011 06:51 PM

congrats!! love the car and the power.. hopefully soon I can keep up with you :p

Mark @ AIM Performance Sep 21, 2011 07:35 PM


Originally Posted by andresito360 (Post 3320637)
congrats!! love the car and the power.. hopefully soon I can keep up with you :p

i wanna check your car out man. it looks great. word has it its pretty damn fast too !!!


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