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Old Nov 19, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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I Hate/love Black

I am a novice to detailing.

I need advise regarding a quick wipe down. When the car sits in the garage for a week or so, and the dust gathers, I like to wipe it down before it leaves the garage. This usually is problem free, but I feel like I am still adding to the swirls in the paint.

When I get caught in the rain and scurry to the garage, I get a nasty haze in the wax that requires some circular hand drying. I def. marked up the paint (or clearcoat, or wax) this weekend when I did this. Why does it get so hazy?

The car has only been washed by myself once, the other times by a good local detailer.

My question is, could I be using too cheap a microfibre? I bought them at oreiley auto parts. I only use one cloth per panel, so I know I am not dragging the grit to other panels. Can I wash the clothes? What is the cause of my swirls/scratches and what is my mode of operation to get rid of them?
 
Old Nov 20, 2007 | 06:22 AM
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Each time you wipe down with a quick detail spray you should be using clean mf towels. If you car has accumulated a lot of dust or you have gone thru a rain I would probably just wash the car.

Yes the grade of mf could be a problem.
Did you wash the mf towels after each use or use towels you used before
do not to go in circular motions when using a quick detail spray
I would probably wash the car instead of quick detail spray the car down to wipe the dust off if the dust accumulates to a point where you paint gets hazed when wiping down.

Depending on how bad the paint is now you can use a PC (orbital polisher to get the swirls out) get your pro detailer to correct the paint, or by hand use a polish that has fillers in it.

Let me know if you have more questions or if I haven't answered everything.
 
Old Nov 20, 2007 | 07:53 AM
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I use a new towel for each panel and never use the same one for two steps. I confess that they are cheapo's.

When I say a lot of dust, I mean it is visible.

How do you wash a car? I know my conventional meathod is not correct for a nice black paint job. I never owned black before, but now have 2 black (no metallic) cars. With my white truck, I just take a preasure washer and whatever rags are around and blast away. The only time I tried washing the black porsche, it came out looking worse then when I started.

When I say blemishes and haze, I am talking about 99% of the human race wouldn't notice if they were looking right at it.
 
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I am in your situation often.

The best thing I've used for getting off the haze is ONR in a spray bottle at the reccomended strength for QD but a little extra.

Spray on a good amount and wipe in straight lines, Final wipe with a fresh MF towel.

Do 1 section at a time and use the best towels you can get your hands on.



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Thanks, where do you recommend for good towels?
 
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max,

I have some good towels:

Drying towels:
http://detailersdomain.com/index.asp...PROD&ProdID=55
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Drop me a call if you need anything.
 
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Hi Max:

The haze you're getting when driving in the rain is moister in the clearcoat or wax layer. What wax are you using? As for wiping down the finish with a micro, I'd avoid doing that. Through marketing from the car care companies, everyone now believes that quick detailers are the answer to not washing. As everyone sees over time, it does more harm than good because most people don't use the correct technique and the correct time to do it. I would first spend the time to clay, polish, and wax the car again using the correct products that are of high quality. Then, get into the habit of washing the car every week, or other week, depending on how often you drive. The amount of time it will take you to do a simple wash is the same as it is chasing and dealing with swirls from wiping down a dusty or dirty paint. Hope this helps.
 
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Hi Max:

The haze you're getting when driving in the rain is moister in the clearcoat or wax layer. What wax are you using? As for wiping down the finish with a micro, I'd avoid doing that. Through marketing from the car care companies, everyone now believes that quick detailers are the answer to not washing. As everyone sees over time, it does more harm than good because most people don't use the correct technique and the correct time to do it. I would first spend the time to clay, polish, and wax the car again using the correct products that are of high quality. Then, get into the habit of washing the car every week, or other week, depending on how often you drive. The amount of time it will take you to do a simple wash is the same as it is chasing and dealing with swirls from wiping down a dusty or dirty paint. Hope this helps.
Thank you very much for the responses. I do not know the wax. My detailer told me it was some product he found at sema last year and he orders it online. He mentioned that it was less harsh chemicals and the shine is truly brilliant. The problem is that darn haze when I get stuck in the rain, or use a damp towel to wipe it down.

I am bringing it in friday to be done over. I will ask what he is using. Should I recommend conventional clay, polish, and wax?

I would love to do the car myself, but I do not feel as confident with the porsche as I do my boat and other cars. I own a PC, which my detailer says he will not use unless it is necessary.

When I wipe it down, I do not use a detailing spray. I find it harder to clean off, I use a damp micro rag. I unfortunetly only drive the car on weekends, and sometimes do not even get to do that.

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Thank you very much for the responses. I do not know the wax. My detailer told me it was some product he found at sema last year and he orders it online. He mentioned that it was less harsh chemicals and the shine is truly brilliant. The problem is that darn haze when I get stuck in the rain, or use a damp towel to wipe it down.

I am bringing it in friday to be done over. I will ask what he is using. Should I recommend conventional clay, polish, and wax?

I would love to do the car myself, but I do not feel as confident with the porsche as I do my boat and other cars. I own a PC, which my detailer says he will not use unless it is necessary.

When I wipe it down, I do not use a detailing spray. I find it harder to clean off, I use a damp micro rag. I unfortunetly only drive the car on weekends, and sometimes do not even get to do that.

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Don't be afraid....if you have the passion and the time, you can achieve excellent results yourself. Tell your detailer he should be using a DA if there are anomolies you, the client, aren't happy with. The DA is safe and effective. The rotary is best left to the pros and requires you to make the decision of the pros and cons.
 
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No, I am affraid of the PC, not the detailer. I just never used one on a black car, and see too many cars on the streets with obvious scratches from a rotating head. I own it for waxing my boat.

The detailer says he will use it if it's necessary, but otherwise does it all by hand.
 
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if it's just a fine layer of dust, you could try a california car duster. I'm not sure what the pros think of these things, but I haven't noticed a problem as long as it's just dust that has settled on the car.
 
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