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Detailer's Domain: E90 M3 with Swissvax Divine

Nice work again phil! I noticed that this Bimmer has a lot of factory orange peel? The clarity is very foggy on the shots you took on the drivers door panel. Also noticed the 3rd to last shot you can see RIDS in the rear drivers fender?? Just an observation.

I am really not impressed with this Swissvax Divine wax...

I know that the Swissvax Divine wax cost upwards of $2,500. Based on this price tag, I would expect to see the BEST results in the industry. If I were to spend this much money on a product, I would expect the deepest, darkest, wettest, and most clarity of any other product on the market.

However, the close-up shots don't seem to provide results any better than some of the other waxes, polishes, and polymers I use. In the past I have used waxes and Zaino; recently I started using a new product, Gloss-It. I have to say looking at some of your shots in the doors, hood, and close up, I just don't see where paying 125 times more for Swissvax is worth it.

I have seen photos of cars with Gloss-It products and Zaino polishes that blow these photos away.

This photo of the shot with the Porsche in the door just looks so hazy and foggy.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f1...20m3/afte5.jpg

This is a shot of a similar reflection from and application of the Gloss Finish - the cost? Around $20.00.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/P5160505.jpg

The shot of the house and trees in the hood also just does not have pop or clarity like this photo of a similar reflection.

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/f...s/P5160521.jpg

I am not convinced why there are outrageously expensive waxes like Zymol and Swissvax when the ends do not justify the means. What benefit does the $2,500 wax give you that Gloss-It or Zaino doesn't for a fraction of the cost?

I am in no way knocking your detail skills. The detail looks great and you did an outstanding job. My main concern here is the lack of clarity and depth using the Swissvax Divine product.

Ever since I started using polymer polishes on my cars, I have never seen a wax that can replicate the same depth and clarity for a comparable cost.

Cyclo, I'm sorry but you are misrepresenting things. I agree the high end carnuaba waxes are all hype and not worth the money as you can only sqeeze so much nuba in there....

First off you can not see depth with a single lens camera, physically impossible, that's why God gave us two eyes and not one. (talk to your eye Dr. if you don't believe me)

Another thing, I don't care if you're Zaino, GlossIt, Swisswax or whatever, no wax will remove orange peel it's not possible.

The reason your reflective shots look better is due to two things.

1. The factory paint is finished better with less or no orange peel.

2. The shot is a different angle that does not show the orange peel very well.

For you to come out and say "my wax is better" cause the paint has less orange peel just shows ignorance.

Sorry but pics don't always mean anything when it comes to showing results. Sure when using the right lighting I can show the damage and correction well enough, but you can play with the camera settings or just slightly focus the lens off and it will not show the swirls even in the same lighting, I've seen it done.

Get ticked at me if you want but I am telling you the truth.

Josh

I do not totally agree! Yes light does make a difference, but I can post pictures of a dark color BMW M3 in identical light situations and can guarantee 100% a paint difference.

I have an extensive painting back round which lead me to develop the paint correction polishes. I will agree that paint can vary from car to car and maybe this vehicle missed the QT, but i have worked with enough new 2008 and 2009 Bmw's to know what results can be achieved!

Orange Peel is due to factory technique in the way they paint there panels.

First if the panel is vertical and not horizontal it is more likely to finish with OP since the paint is sprayed on and wanting to drip in the direction of gravity (down the side of the panel).

If the panels were layed flat (horizontally) they will be less likely to cause that ripple effect since they will not be dripping/running down the side but rather into itself causing a slightly flater layer of paint (this will give the paint better clearity and a more mirror like finish).

Another reason for heavy OP like that is the fact that they paint the panel, clear coat it and bake it to speed up the cure time which dries and hardens the clear coat before the ripples have a chance to smooth out.

It comes down to manufacturers saving money by doing things quicker.

Josh

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Originally Posted by Gloss-it (Post 1935625)

I do not totally agree! Yes light does make a difference, but I can post pictures of a dark color BMW M3 in identical light situations and can guarantee 100% a paint difference. (Paint correction yes, but not OP removal which was the complaint of the picture being so blurry, it's the OP that makes the paint blurry)

I have an extensive painting back round which lead me to develop the paint correction polishes. I will agree that paint can vary from car to car and maybe this vehicle missed the QT, but i have worked with enough new 2008 and 2009 Bmw's to know what results can be achieved! So have I

Rich, I'm not saying the lighting in these pics and the focus on the camera in those shots were tweaked to make something look better then it is, not questioning that at all. I'm just saying pics don't always mean anything cause I have seen the pics where the exact same lighting was used but no correction done and a simple adjustment of the focus done to show no swirls. It was done just to prove a point.

Anyways, the bluriness of those pics is due to the camer focusing on the M3 badge instead of the door as well as the paint having bad orange peel, the point is you cannot remove orange peel with an abrasive polish let alone a wax so for someone to say they make the paint mirror perfect compared to a highly orange peeled paint due to a polish and wax is highly misrepresentation of what your products can do.

Orange Peel can only be removed by wetsanding/colorsanding as you well know.

I'm sure Gloss It can remove swirls well enough but not OP unless you're telling me otherwise?

Not trying to argue, just trying to educate anyone looking at this thread thinking they can go buff out the OP on there car.hilarious

Josh

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Originally Posted by JoshVette (Post 1935639)

Josh.... I am not trying to imply or represent that gloss-it polishes will remove 100% OP. I do agree that to remove 100% of orange peel that wet sanding is required.

I will say at the gloss-it detail facility we have greatly reduced some orange peel through paint correction with an orbit, extreme cut followed by evolution cut, and evolution polish. I will not claim 100% but at least 50% improvement. I know it hard to believe but you will have to duplicate in your own test environment.

One thing that shocked me:eek: How a company can sell a container of wax for $2,500. The shine is not bad, but worth $2,500. I have seen P21s give a better end result for 39.00 dollars, This is a fraction of the cost!

Josh tell me you don't agree?

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Originally Posted by Gloss-it (Post 1935649)

I definately agree with you about the overpriced carnuaba's, I can't stand them preying on people's ignorance like they do thinking it's a better nuba cause it's more expensive....:rolleyes:

Some will always buy the most expensive 'anything' just cause it's the most expensive. That's not my problem, but I bet if they knew the truth about the actual Nuba % and contents they wouldn't be so quick to spend the money.

Nothing against Detailer'sDomain.

Josh

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