yes, i drove mine when it came into the dealer (and passed on the purchase). it's a GREAT car, no argument. when i say it's overpriced, i think it's overpriced in that PAG's gross margin is, imo, far far higher than it is on a C2 or maybe even a TT. it's priced excessively. whether it's "worth it" to somebody is their own analysis, for sure.

raygr - if you put your stradale on a scale, you'll find it's notably heavier than that. what ferrari states and what ferrar builds don't always coincide :)

great post jmmitias.

doody.

Yes, the GT2 is a rip roaring bargain - in the after market. Yes, it's faster than a CS. Yes, based solely on overall performance, the GT2 wins. No, the GT2 is no where near as fun which is my criteria.

I also disagree the GT3 is overpriced. In fact, it's probably the best value Porsche offers. If it had PSM, I probably would have taken it over the CS. Too bad I had to pay 2 GT3s to get that!

BTW, got in another 250 miles today - a large portion of which was crazy fun mountain driving.

Hey Ben,

There are a bunch of us who take off midweek and drive up to Palomar for the day. Email me if you want to be included.

emailm3@aol.com

Thanks! Midweek is much better for traffic, cops, etc.

I too initially thought the GT3 was overpriced. Then I drove one and started to think about all the ways it was improved over the C2, no comparison between the two in my mind. I also thought about how the price and performance compares with the TT and GT2 as well as other brands. It didn't seem so expensive...it even looked reasonable relative to similar cars.

It's true that higher priced cars carry higher margins and the GT3 is no exception. They also sell in lesser numbers, so the R&D costs (and marketing, production, overhead, etc) get amortized over a smaller number of cars, hence the real profit margins may be lower.

upon further reflection, i overspoke re: the GT3. that engine alone is a quite substantial cost component. for a car you can buy in the 90s, it's tough to find anything that comes close on a price-performance basis, so regardless of whatever margins might be like, it's still probably the best bang for the buck available today.

doody.

at under 1/2 the $ of the GT3, the Z06 probably owns that title.

especially if you get a used Z06 w/low miles for around 30K. I hear the prices have tanked since the C6 intro....

The Ducati Principle
 

until someone drives a CS there is just no chance of understanding why and how it satisfies more even if slower

Interesting thread with no conclusions, but it does seem the wall of opinion from those lucky enough to have/had both favor the CS as a feeling.

This reminds me of my many years as a two wheeler. My most favored bikes were my Ducati's, especially the Super Lights. They weren't as powerful or as fast as the big heavy Honda/Suzuki/Kawaski muscle bikes of the era, but they just felt so much sweeter to ride, and those power bikes were always left trailing them in the canyons and on the tracks back then. As I read more and more of these CS vs. the rest threads I am seriously reminded of the Ducati principle.

Sadly a CS is outside my window of opportunity, so the GT3 is it for me, but it's nice to know there is something to step up to. Watt's quandary is an interesting one. Once you've climbed Mt Everest, where do you go from there?

I have a big soft spot for the 575 boy racer they just announced, in the spirit of the ProDrive cars. It isn't really that expensive, and it (the Maranello) is a car that has been called the greatest car ever for years by all the journalists on both continents since it was first introduced. This the the best, at it's best. Watt, your next Everest?

ray
what you say is true, but CS's actually weigh in at 3000 with fliuds, but still 175 lighter than gt2 and feel much lighter as you said.

a gt2 leaves the umbrella price at a dealership and it isIMMEDIATELY valued by the market at 50k less; this is not occurring with CS.

tyson a gt2 is worth 140 for a new 03 to me and 155 for an 04. i would never spend 04 gt2 window, i'd use the $ for a CS!!! markedy more value to me

So true ....and I actually own both models, so I can speak with a some degree of personal knowledge! :)
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IMHO, the Gt3 is a relative bargain and a great car (as they all are), but it's still not as much of a thrilling/adrenaline pumping drive as the CS. Numbers, whether it be HP or track times, don't always correlate with the FUN factor of a car. ;)

Your garage puts a smile on my face Jack...Are you getting another 4 post lift for the CGT??? or is the GT2 being replaced with it????

I've had my GT3 since February, it is a great car and I love drving it. I am on day #10 with my CS...I've been waiting for it since March. I've driven F355s and 360s before...I like them a lot, but they are not as engaging as the GT3. Somehow I didn't expect to enjoy the CS so much that if I had to choose just 1, I'd have to go with the CS. To me, the CS drives like a lesser version of the Enzo...same kind of fun, just not quite as monstrous.

Perfomance wise, the Z06 may deliver at half of the GT3 price...but I don't feel that the driving experience is even close to the GT3.

There are always cars that can turn incredible lap times that better these GT3, GT2, CS and so on...at a fraction of the cost. I tend to think I love these cars because they are so fun on the street to cruise, tackle the windy roads or just ripping up and down a long stretch...and will hold its own pretty good on the track. There may be a lot of people who desires these cars...but really only the few that appreciate them for what they really are. I think that is why you see these cars come up for sale. Why else would you part with them?

Terry

One of the most common questions that people have always asked me when they see my cars is "so, which is your favorate?". I'd always have to go through a five minute speech as to the GT2 is faster , the Modena is funnier, the 993TT is a classic air cooled porsche and so on.

That all changed after I traded in the Modena for a CS. Now my answer is a two second response. Speed, power, torque, potential lap times all included, the CS is the most amount of fun you can have on four wheels! Just my .02.