60-130: PROTOMOTIVE 63.5 PUMP & E85 #'s
#46
09-27-2015, 09:38 PM
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The inducers are stock GT2 which are 45mm from memory. Hotside as mentioned before slightly larger on GT2 turbos and this contributes to lagginess with the larger compressor wheel. Top end on these turbos are fantastic but we need to find a way of waking them up more quickly.
Apparently the new map was working well on my car but we ran into some mechanical issues with overboosting in 5th gear so never ran her over 150mph to be on the safe side. If we can fix whatever is causing the issue we might be onto something with this new map but we can't be sure until we have data logged and vboxed her above 150mph.
Here's a few vids of a 9e 28 against some pretty quick cars. The video against the Macca (if we had 2 miles the 9e 28 would have passed the Macca 650S) and 991 Turbo S with 650bhp show well that it takes a bit of time for the turbos to wake up but when they do these cars fly. If we can wake them up quicker for a stock engined VTG 997.1 we'll have a pretty sweet all round street car.
VMAX200 HyperMax 2015 - Porsche 997 Turbo 9E28 vs Mclaren 650S - YouTube
VMAX200 HyperMax 2015 - Porsche 997 Turbo 9E28 vs Mercedes Mclaren SLR 722 - YouTube
VMAX200 HyperMax 2015 - Porsche 997 Turbo 9E28 vs Porsche 991 Turbo S 650BHP - YouTube
Apparently the new map was working well on my car but we ran into some mechanical issues with overboosting in 5th gear so never ran her over 150mph to be on the safe side. If we can fix whatever is causing the issue we might be onto something with this new map but we can't be sure until we have data logged and vboxed her above 150mph.
Here's a few vids of a 9e 28 against some pretty quick cars. The video against the Macca (if we had 2 miles the 9e 28 would have passed the Macca 650S) and 991 Turbo S with 650bhp show well that it takes a bit of time for the turbos to wake up but when they do these cars fly. If we can wake them up quicker for a stock engined VTG 997.1 we'll have a pretty sweet all round street car.
VMAX200 HyperMax 2015 - Porsche 997 Turbo 9E28 vs Mclaren 650S - YouTube
VMAX200 HyperMax 2015 - Porsche 997 Turbo 9E28 vs Mercedes Mclaren SLR 722 - YouTube
VMAX200 HyperMax 2015 - Porsche 997 Turbo 9E28 vs Porsche 991 Turbo S 650BHP - YouTube
Some awesome cars at that event.I thought your turbos were hybrids - you mentioned that they have stock compressor inducer size which means they are stock GT2 turbos if I'm understanding correctly.
#47
09-28-2015, 01:22 AM
Yes they're defo hybrids with billet wheels and motorsport bearings. 9e start off with stock OEM GT2 turbos and add larger wheels and a few other tricks to help with better top end as these videos demonstrate. Stock 997.1 VTGS when they get hot have very poor top end at approaching 300kph and beyond.
Are you saying that if the inducers are stock GT2 then the billet wheels cannot be bigger?
Bobby yes the new map we are trying is specifically to wake the turbos up quicker but there may be trade off top end.
Are you saying that if the inducers are stock GT2 then the billet wheels cannot be bigger?
Bobby yes the new map we are trying is specifically to wake the turbos up quicker but there may be trade off top end.
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09-28-2015, 08:29 AM
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Rep Power: 234 Yes they're defo hybrids with billet wheels and motorsport bearings. 9e start off with stock OEM GT2 turbos and add larger wheels and a few other tricks to help with better top end as these videos demonstrate. Stock 997.1 VTGS when they get hot have very poor top end at approaching 300kph and beyond.
Are you saying that if the inducers are stock GT2 then the billet wheels cannot be bigger?
Bobby yes the new map we are trying is specifically to wake the turbos up quicker but there may be trade off top end.
Are you saying that if the inducers are stock GT2 then the billet wheels cannot be bigger?
Bobby yes the new map we are trying is specifically to wake the turbos up quicker but there may be trade off top end.
#52
09-28-2015, 10:30 AM
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I will PM you my cell# and we can arrange.
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#53
09-28-2015, 10:48 AM
The hotside turbine has a wheel with an exducer and inducer part and the compressor side has a wheel with an exducer and inducer part. The exducer part of the compressor wheel on the Champion 68 is 68mm and the inducer part of the compressor wheel is 49mm. Iirc, the stock turbos have an exducer size of about 60mm with the inducer side around 44mm. There was a thread years ago with pictures that explain it far better than words, but the point of hybrids is that the wheel on the compressor side is swapped out for a larger one with different inducer and exducer size and characteristics while the hotside stays the same. This works up to a point as the hotside is the limiting factor in some ways, but the results with hybrid vs stock are quite impressive. One could always go with alphas or garrets or whatever but it depends on the persons goals. I'm quite happy with my hybrids and don't have any plans for "upgrading" beyond this.
#54
09-28-2015, 10:50 AM
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Rep Power: 202 It sure does feel like a beast, but yours must feel like warp speed, especially with hard hitting 28's with LOW 5's!!
If you want to see how it moves out against a Gixer liter bike (stretched) and ZL1, I posted this thread.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...er-15-zl1.html
I also have some vids with me actually hooking from a high RPM roll IN 2ND till top of 3rd and it is "enlightening" to the senses!...I just can't upload them for some reason.
#55
09-28-2015, 12:23 PM
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bogg/bobbyfali/faiz, drop me a line if you're going out there and we can really do justice on the oem vs. 63s vs 68s vs 3076s comparison. It seems we can cover it all pretty well provided all 4 cars are running without any mechanical issues/boost leaks/etc If you're up for it we can throw in a dyno day as well in there and get some numbers.
Dzenno@PTF
If you're up for it we can throw in a dyno day as well in there and get some numbers.Dzenno@PTF
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#56
09-28-2015, 04:30 PM
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Rep Power: 202 bogg/bobbyfali/faiz, drop me a line if you're going out there and we can really do justice on the oem vs. 63s vs 68s vs 3076s comparison. It seems we can cover it all pretty well provided all 4 cars are running without any mechanical issues/boost leaks/etc If you're up for it we can throw in a dyno day as well in there and get some numbers.
Dzenno@PTF
If you're up for it we can throw in a dyno day as well in there and get some numbers.Dzenno@PTF
SOUNDS good! We should all be on the same fuel so we have a fair comparison. I currently have E85 in the tank, but pending when we meet up I can put pump 94 octane in the tank, and we all can compare with straight 94. I just needed upgraded intercoolers to make it more of a fair comparison on pump, as both of you have upgraded coolers and my stock 997.1 coolers are killing my up top with it IAT's/timing!!
Someone wants to donate a set of coolers and take one for the 6Speed team? LOL
#57
10-01-2015, 08:33 AM
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Rep Power: 234 bogg/bobbyfali/faiz, drop me a line if you're going out there and we can really do justice on the oem vs. 63s vs 68s vs 3076s comparison. It seems we can cover it all pretty well provided all 4 cars are running without any mechanical issues/boost leaks/etc If you're up for it we can throw in a dyno day as well in there and get some numbers.
Dzenno@PTF
If you're up for it we can throw in a dyno day as well in there and get some numbers.Dzenno@PTF
#58
10-11-2015, 07:56 PM
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**UPDATE!! 60-130 -1.25% decline 18.5 degrees 94 PUMP GAS!!
3-4th: 7.02sec
4th :7.04
The only difference is Todd adjusted my bottom end tq by "moved clutch limit to match E85 file". Todd forwarded me a stock OEM tune (he just calibrate for my 80lb) 1.5 months back so we can try to diagnose a low boost issue I was having. When I got that file I was surprised that the OEM tune had so much bottom end tq / boost under 4000 rpm vs my Proto tune. I told him when I logged there was a big difference between the two under 4000 RPM'S. He then sent me this new file with everything the same as my current Proto pump gas tune, but "moved the clutch limit to match E85 file".
**that's a drop of .2 with just a revised bottom end tune**
I was hoping for a drop of .2-.4 in upgrading my stock intercoolers to run 7.0-6.8 on pump, but now I have hope for 6.8-6.7 with upgraded intercoolers!! I should find out if my intercoolers theory is correct shortly, as I have acquired a set of 997.2!!!
3-4th: 7.02sec
4th :7.04
The only difference is Todd adjusted my bottom end tq by "moved clutch limit to match E85 file". Todd forwarded me a stock OEM tune (he just calibrate for my 80lb) 1.5 months back so we can try to diagnose a low boost issue I was having. When I got that file I was surprised that the OEM tune had so much bottom end tq / boost under 4000 rpm vs my Proto tune. I told him when I logged there was a big difference between the two under 4000 RPM'S. He then sent me this new file with everything the same as my current Proto pump gas tune, but "moved the clutch limit to match E85 file".
**that's a drop of .2 with just a revised bottom end tune**
I was hoping for a drop of .2-.4 in upgrading my stock intercoolers to run 7.0-6.8 on pump, but now I have hope for 6.8-6.7 with upgraded intercoolers!! I should find out if my intercoolers theory is correct shortly, as I have acquired a set of 997.2!!!
Last edited by Bobbyfali; 10-11-2015 at 09:39 PM.
#60
10-12-2015, 05:49 AM
**UPDATE!! 60-130 -1.25% decline 18.5 degrees 94 PUMP GAS!!
3-4th: 7.02sec
4th :7.04
The only difference is Todd adjusted my bottom end tq by "moved clutch limit to match E85 file". Todd forwarded me a stock OEM tune (he just calibrate for my 80lb) 1.5 months back so we can try to diagnose a low boost issue I was having. When I got that file I was surprised that the OEM tune had so much bottom end tq / boost under 4000 rpm vs my Proto tune. I told him when I logged there was a big difference between the two under 4000 RPM'S. He then sent me this new file with everything the same as my current Proto pump gas tune, but "moved the clutch limit to match E85 file".
**that's a drop of .2 with just a revised bottom end tune**
I was hoping for a drop of .2-.4 in upgrading my stock intercoolers to run 7.0-6.8 on pump, but now I have hope for 6.8-6.7 with upgraded intercoolers!! I should find out if my intercoolers theory is correct shortly, as I have acquired a set of 997.2!!!
3-4th: 7.02sec
4th :7.04
The only difference is Todd adjusted my bottom end tq by "moved clutch limit to match E85 file". Todd forwarded me a stock OEM tune (he just calibrate for my 80lb) 1.5 months back so we can try to diagnose a low boost issue I was having. When I got that file I was surprised that the OEM tune had so much bottom end tq / boost under 4000 rpm vs my Proto tune. I told him when I logged there was a big difference between the two under 4000 RPM'S. He then sent me this new file with everything the same as my current Proto pump gas tune, but "moved the clutch limit to match E85 file".
**that's a drop of .2 with just a revised bottom end tune**
I was hoping for a drop of .2-.4 in upgrading my stock intercoolers to run 7.0-6.8 on pump, but now I have hope for 6.8-6.7 with upgraded intercoolers!! I should find out if my intercoolers theory is correct shortly, as I have acquired a set of 997.2!!!