Some people actually think standard items on a TTS are "enhanced" over the same items when ordered optionally on a TT? Really??

I would think they all come from the same parts bin.....

 

Put as many options on the turbo as you like & tune however you want.
The reality is the Turbo S will hold it's value better than the turbo. Buyers of pre-owned vehicles always want the most options with the lowest mileage & dealers will give the best trade in values for the "S" cars. If you research previous generations & see what cars are worth the most it's the "S" cars that haven't been modified. It's not all about hp either, many "options" on the S make it a better all around car. For instance the PCCB's are significantly lighter & this unsprung mass factor translates into faster acceleration. Having owned turbos & two TTS cars, the S has definitely been the preferred car for me.

 

When I referred to the TTS as "enhanced" I am referring to those very items that you stated are in the same parts bin. There is no PDCC especially for the TTS, etc. I do not think that at all.

I merely stated that each of these items enhances the car just as additional power does. Therefore there is more to the 'S' than what an ECU tune can provide.

Clear as mud?

 

Gotcha!

 

I typically lease my cars since I like to toss them out every 2-3 years. The exception was my current 997.1 TT cab. I was reluctant to go for the 991 since it is PDK only and I wasn't all that keen on some other changes.


I've evolved ... as they say.


My 997.1 car has aftermarket exhaust/cats (Cargraphic), FVD tune and HRE wheels. These are all coming off this week as my new TT should be here anyday now.


I never considered the "S", altho I did drive one. My car stickers at about $165+ in coupe form. I don't care for the ceramic brakes and all the "other stuff" that comes standard on the TTS. And, at a cost just south of $200K.


I like the sound of aftermarket exhaust, and adding a tune ... well, I can certainly gain ~90 hp. And, at considerable savings over the difference in cost of the S vs the TT and none of the "other stuff" I don't give a care about.


So, for about $7-8K I can upgrade my TT to close to 600 hp, powder coat the classic 5 spoke wheels and have a car for far less than a stocker S.


In 3 years, I can toss the car back into the ring with the 'stuff' removed, sell the bits off and get another car of some sort.


Made sense to me. I'm sure others will differ.

 

Nope I agree with you. Not crazy about the PCCB brakes, the PDDC not sure seems have people thinking it's great and others not a useful option unless you are on the track. I drove a PDDC car and one without I couldn't really notice the difference. the Turbo S center lock wheels look great but if I every want to take off the wheels I need an expensive torque multiplier tool.


So for me the only diff besides the S on back was the hp/tq and for about $3500 I can have that as well.

 

I didn't want PCCB or CLs, and I was planning on light mods, so the choice was easy (169k TT). Flash/exhaust on the TT and it's faster than the stock TTS and as fast as a modded one.

 

That is exactly what I am saying. I can have a car spec'd to my taste for far less than a stock S ... and without all the extras I don't care about.


BTW ... I am removing all of the "paragraph" on the butt of the car and just adding a satin black "turbo" I got from Eric at Bumper Plugs. I have it on my 997.1 cab and love the simple look.


What was Porsche thinking with all that script on the back of the car in the first place? Off putting IMO.

 

This, exactly. I did get the center locks though. If you don't want PCCB or PDCC then there's really no reason to step up to the S. Not as long as GIAC is in business, anyway... Since I'm not paying for big ticket options that I don't want, I had cash left over for Burmester, CF interior trim, 18 way seats, glass sunroof, premium pkg, painted headlight washer covers, DCTMS steering wheel, some leather interior goodies from Exclusive Options, CF Sport seat backs from DB Carbon, Europipe, GIAC, refinishing my stock center lock wheels, FVD headers, Clear bra, the list goes on...

Personally, I'll have a lot more fun doing all that stuff than saying that I got an "S" and having to leave it stock. Then again, if you can afford it then by all means have it all!

- Patrick

 

I would really like to see a Turbo with flash/exhaust vs a stock S on the track/drag strip.

 

I would love to see the flash/exhaust TT and TTS at the dealership when there is a warranty issue! Seriously, there is a cost of going aftermarket and we should all be aware of it. Some dealers are very supportive but Porsche is not.

The 'S' has 40 hp and more torque but is barely faster than the stock Turbo. Seriously, 0.1 sec to 60 mph is not worth the additional cost if you look at the additional hp alone. A tuned Turbo may have 40 hp more than a stock Turbo S, so what do you think the performance gain would be?

The 'S' becomes worth it if all of the 'S' options make sense to the buyer. In that regard you have to respect each buyer's decision as a personal choice. Frankly, a $160k car is a ton of money and the cost of owning one is only marginally less than a $190k car. If you paid cash then who cares, and if you financed it then the difference is less than $450/month.

What is laughable is the diminishing returns we are seeing with these aftermarket tunes/exhaust systems. Outside of turning up the exhaust volume, the gains from boost pressure/fuel have been minimal at best. The variability in each car's performance is greater than the gains in performance from the tune/exhaust. I am basing this on all of the videos posted of 1/4 mile drag times.

I digress. I admire anyone in our group for trying to get more power out of their car (Turbo, Turbo S, whatever). I am just not seeing the significant gains as in the past.

Bigger turbos and/or even more hp is needed from the stock ones! The 997 Turbo guys already think neither a 991 Turbo or Turbo S is worth it on just hp alone.

 

I only have minimal mods on my 997.1 '09 TT. Exhaust/chipped ECU.


I've had a couple warranty issues with the car ... 2 batteries, coolant leak, some sort of bearing issue (?). The dealer knows what my car has and did not make an issue of it.


I suppose IF I have some blown turbos, a clutch issue or oil leaking from the mains I may have a problem, but I doubt it. Depends on the dealer.


Most of the ECU tunes can be 'reversed' and should be undetectable. Adding an exhaust does nothing to the car to cause any warranty issues.

 

I have a tuned TTS by Champion Motorsports, GIAC Stage 2, Tubi catless race exhaust. BTW same Family ownes Champion Porsche, the largest Porsche dealer in the world. Basically 600 WHP on 100octane, and believe me it is considerably faster, 10.4 sec vs 10.9 sec qtr mi. And your right, you get no return on the cost of the tune. Reason being is people that tune their cars are people that drive their cars hard also. I am just a little on the extreme side with my TTS, being my choice as daily driver and a weekend track car. Just put my 3rd set of MSC2s on.
Warranty issues will only arise if the the tune or modification cause the problem. Otherwise all warranties are honored!

Everyone enjoy! " Merry Christmas" see you at PBIR on 12/20, Homestead 12/28
Sebring 1/25/15
No law against getting to the speed limit as fast as you can, just be in control.

 

Whole lot of justifying going on in this thread.

 

isn't that the point of car forums?