Wow, you are correct I forgot about that. Hmmm..your point is very valid and it does diminish the whole specialness of a turbo. I appreciate your insight Sir!

 

Not exactly...Macan S and Turbo are both Turbo's, but there's a huge difference between the 2 in performance. Just sayin'...

GT3's are gorgeous, but not the best DD around; the are really designed for the track much more than the street. If you're ready to sacrifice a number of things for the look, GT3 would be the way to go. Not for me though...and as much as I like the GT3, the TTS beats it hands down as a DD, for me. It does everything the GT3 does in the streets, but better.

 

If you look at the build that I am thinking about for a turbo I am kinda going for a turbo/GT3 with the cage, sport cup 2's and such. I've been spending time with my kids and thinking about all of your posts and I really feel like I'm going to do the GT3. I'm going to ask my buddy if I can drive his turbo cab and see how that goes.

 

Agreed. That's the only way to see which you'll be happier with. For me, the TTS power is addictive!

 

Because of how you phrased your original post, go with the Turbo S. Almost to 2k miles on mine, and it seems like the best fit. Also, the other car should be a Ferrari, not a Lamb/McLaren

 

Let's see if I can convince myself one way or the other based on your rationale. When you say, "keep forever" and "I have an RS5 daily," my vote would be the GT3. But...you also mentioned speed and getting rolled by other cars. So that makes the decision a lot tougher.

Keep in mind, by design, I haven't driven a Turbo or Turbo S. I don't want to know what I'm missing, as I know the Turbo is not for me. This may render my comments null, but you asked for it.

I have first hand experience at the power and speed difference of a tuned 991 TTS versus my 991 GT3 at a 1/2 event in Ocala, FL last January. My GT3 trapped 149 from a dig on some pretty crappy pavement. The TTS did 162. So we are talking about like 10 bus lengths in difference. Had we had traction, it probably would have been even worse. So if speed is key, the TTS wins hands down. It's not even close.

For me, it's never been about straight line speed. It is about the experience. The connection of me and the back road. I think it has a lot to do with personality. I could see it out there at that 1/2 mile event. The Type A guys are all driving TT Lambos and highly modified GTRs. They are just better suited for that kind of thing. I get how you could get rapped up in going faster and faster. So I think it comes down to your personality. Are you one that can't resist messing with the M5 that rolls up on you on the highway? Or do you, like me, immediately begin to weigh the consequences of going to jail for doing 175? I'm the latter, so the GT3 wins this argument.

I think you'll know in about 30 seconds which car is for you once you get behind the wheel of each one. I know you'll have a hard time overcoming that sound and experience you get in the GT3. I haven't driven a Turbo, but I think I know exactly what it's like. You'll know. You may be scratching your head, but I think your gut will tell you. Just trust it.

The GT3 for me is the culmination of everything I've been trying to achieve in a car since putting a suspension and exhaust on my Civic. The connectivity of it and the road are key for me.

My guess for you is speed is going to win out versus the connection. Then you'll end up with a GT3 when that power and speed addiction wear off.

 

I vote Lambo!

 

+1 Damn good argument. Wow, you are absolutely correct. My first car was a Civic and I loved the way it handled. I agree with everything you said but yeah I do mess with certain cars on the highway and my buddy walks away from me in his 997.2 turbo cab. I would still be staring at his vanity plate in a GT3 as well. Like you said it's the connection. To me it's the sound the stiff ride and race car thing. My buddy and I are trying to do the drive at Porsche HQ next month. This month is booked for all of the good dates. Jim Ellis has a blue (yuck) and a white (steel rotor) cars that I may be able to check out. Thanks for your input bro!

 

I hear turbo S's are beating GT3's on the track as well.

 

I have heard that too -- if they are wearing r compound tires.

 

What makes the Porsche (GT3 or TT) a forever car? I'm just curious because you haven't driven either car yet but it seems you made up your mind about keeping it forever.

Are cars like the 993TT or 997 GT3 off the table?

 

Well let me explain. I have been wanting to own a Porsche since I was a kid. I got caught up with the Lambo thing like all of us with the White Countach poster that everyone had and I almost forgot about a Porsche. Then I saw the beginning of the first "Bad Boys" movie. There it was...a black 964 Twin Turbo and I thought and still think that is one of the baddest damn movie cars ever (Audi S8 in Ronin). Since then I was into turbos. Remember the first 996 GT3 we did not get here so we did not really know much about it. Then came the the second 996 GT3 and I thought it was great. I used to watch the old Fabspeed videos (yellow car) for that car's exhaust system over and over. So unlike some of you guys I had to plan this purchase. This is not just a car, it's a dream come true. It's more about a life accomplishment then a car. So when I get this car I will NEVER sell it. I will tell my children the lesson about hard work and living right and making the right decisions so they can achieve their goals. So yes I'm only interested in one Porsche, the other cars will be sold and traded for other cars but that P car is mine. I'm not sure any of you can understand what this means to me but I'm a guy that had to work for everything I have and this is something that will make me so happy. Not for the car but for the commitment to see the dream through. So no I don't want a GTS, C2, 996TT, C4S, or any of those. I could have had them already. I felt like I was playing myself if I did not have my GT3 or Turbo the way I wanted it. So I grabbed the RS5 and continued to save. Like I said in my original post I am Porsche first above all brands. Everything else follows. But it's really MY Porsche first, the rest follows after that. I hope you guys can understand that.

 

Wow, what a day. Today we had the exotic show and afterwards my buddy and I took a friend's new R8 V10 (2011) to get the windows tinted. On the way up I drove his 997.2 turbo cab and that thing was insane. EVO640 kit and IPL y-pipe, diverters, and stock exhaust. What an experience the car had so much power I was able to walk away from the Audi with ease. On the way up 400 a Gallardo popped up and if I had less traffic I could have had him too. The power is so linear and the throttle feel was great. I'm sorry Matt but that turbo power is addictive. I'm still going to drive the other car but right now a turbo with a serious tune is the way to go. Thanks guys!!!!

 

I'm like you, keep cars I love for awhile (996TT for 8 years). However, I do not consider modern 911s to be forever cars.

18 months ago I bought a rare 1999 Lamborghini Diablo Roadster.....THIS car redefined everything.....THIS is a forever car,unless they keep appreciating out of sight

Would like the same level of experience the next time, and like another poster mentioned, a Ferrari 458 would be the ultimate goal when it reaches $150k......like the Lamborghini,its just something a 911 cannot stand up to as a forever proposition.