Oil Change or No Oil Change??
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I have and have 3 new 650's in past 4 years (I'm attention deficit when it comes to cars). In every case the dealer refused to do any service before either 10k miles or 1 year. Also, the oil they were using was Mobil 1 15-30. Maybe a different approach up here in Canada?
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I have and have 3 new 650's in past 4 years (I'm attention deficit when it comes to cars). In every case the dealer refused to do any service before either 10k miles or 1 year. Also, the oil they were using was Mobil 1 15-30. Maybe a different approach up here in Canada?
John in Vancouver
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A lot of dealers are still confused about this, but that is what BMW says to do.
M cars also use the 10w-60 oil, which is $$$$.
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This is correct. I had three E46 M3's and all of them had a 1,200 mile engine and differential service performed at dealer cost.
Taken from a previous thread, but I think this can be interesting for everybody....
Basically, I asked my Porsche dealer to perform an oil change after i broke 2,000 miles and they refused. This is the answer to my email asking why:
yes, oil changes should be done at 10,000 miles or 1
year whichever comes first. The reason is that the piston rings must "seat"
into the grooves of the piston, thereby allowing them to be stable as they
move up and down the cylinders. If you change the oil at 3 or 4 k mi. then
that oil and its surrounding piston rings won`t "seat." In the old days we
used "natural" oil which burned and left ash and varnish which would allow
the rings to stick in place sooner. Now the synthetic oil has no biological
components which burn and leave ash. While this is Very good for longevity
of your motor, due to its heat resistance, it also takes longer for the
piston rings to "seat." You will notice some oil used by the engine during
the first 5k mi. So you may wish to purchase another quart or two to
replace that. You will experience more power and less oil usage after @ 5k
miles. You will also get better fuel mileage. I hope this helps
Basically, I asked my Porsche dealer to perform an oil change after i broke 2,000 miles and they refused. This is the answer to my email asking why:
yes, oil changes should be done at 10,000 miles or 1
year whichever comes first. The reason is that the piston rings must "seat"
into the grooves of the piston, thereby allowing them to be stable as they
move up and down the cylinders. If you change the oil at 3 or 4 k mi. then
that oil and its surrounding piston rings won`t "seat." In the old days we
used "natural" oil which burned and left ash and varnish which would allow
the rings to stick in place sooner. Now the synthetic oil has no biological
components which burn and leave ash. While this is Very good for longevity
of your motor, due to its heat resistance, it also takes longer for the
piston rings to "seat." You will notice some oil used by the engine during
the first 5k mi. So you may wish to purchase another quart or two to
replace that. You will experience more power and less oil usage after @ 5k
miles. You will also get better fuel mileage. I hope this helps
I asked my personal friend, who is also a Porsche Tech at a local dealership about your question.
He says 5k or 1 year, whichever comes first is fine.
He also mentioned that 2k is okay if it makes you feel better mentally.
He had visited the Porsche factory and learned that the rings are seated when they first test the engine; it really doesn't take that many miles to seat the rings.
I also found it interesting when he mentioned that the factory initially sets the odometer to a minus number so it registers 0 or slightly above after the factory test drive.
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One of the most brilliant and elegantly short comments I've ever read on this site. Spot on. Thanks!
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I may be a sucker to the engine oil industry, but just got an oil change done at 2200 miles. Asked the dealer service manager about it, and he seemed to think the only downside is the cost although he certainly didn't push for me to have it done.
Don't know if I am imagining, but the car sure seems to run better since the oil change. I guess placebo effect may be worth it as long as it makes me appreciate my car more...
Don't know if I am imagining, but the car sure seems to run better since the oil change. I guess placebo effect may be worth it as long as it makes me appreciate my car more...
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Some people, though not admittingly, drive 3-4k miles a year. My guess is 5 k personally. Sometimes its time as much as miles that people do/don't bring their cars in for a service.
So it's ok to wait 2-3 years for the first service ? Maybe not a big deal.
So it's ok to wait 2-3 years for the first service ? Maybe not a big deal.
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I like to change my oil every 500 miles because I drive like an amazing race car driver, even though I never take my car to the track.
It's too bad that the engineers at Porsche, Volkwagen, Audi or Lamborghini didn't do any research into engine longevity vs oil change interval, otherwise they would recommend my 500 mile oil change regimen as well. I obvously know more than the collective experience of the past and present engineers in the Volkswagen autogroup family.
It's too bad that the engineers at Porsche, Volkwagen, Audi or Lamborghini didn't do any research into engine longevity vs oil change interval, otherwise they would recommend my 500 mile oil change regimen as well. I obvously know more than the collective experience of the past and present engineers in the Volkswagen autogroup family.
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I like to change my oil every 500 miles because I drive like an amazing race car driver, even though I never take my car to the track.
It's too bad that the engineers at Porsche, Volkwagen, Audi or Lamborghini didn't do any research into engine longevity vs oil change interval, otherwise they would recommend my 500 mile oil change regimen as well. I obvously know more than the collective experience of the past and present engineers in the Volkswagen autogroup family.
It's too bad that the engineers at Porsche, Volkwagen, Audi or Lamborghini didn't do any research into engine longevity vs oil change interval, otherwise they would recommend my 500 mile oil change regimen as well. I obvously know more than the collective experience of the past and present engineers in the Volkswagen autogroup family.
I look forward to reading the words of other 911 enthusiasts here who are interested in improving and enhancing their dream machines. 500, 5000 or 10,000 mile oil change? Hey, that's between you and your engine. Who are we to judge? What do we really know other that what be believe will work best for our vehicles. That is o u r vehicles.
As was told to me 55 years ago while I stood in line for the crayons and drawing paper in kindergarten, play fair, respect others and their property and only say kind words, keep the bad ones to yourself.
Last edited by rnl; Jun 15, 2013 at 03:14 PM.
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