Well, it's all relative. The 911 Carrera was never about full out speed and horsepower. I drove an AMS GT-R Alpha 9, and everything else compared to that felt slow, I still prefer the "slower" 911C2S any day.

You can only have these conversations about speed and power on these kind of forums, bring that up in a pub and you'd get punched in the dick.

#firstclassproblems.

 

The relatively lightweight 991S, particularly with PDK, is exceptionally quick below 100, but by a quarter mile from a dead start cars with 100s more HP are usually going 10 mph faster and are building speed faster on top of that (even with cars that use primitive technology that has to be manipulated by hands and feet instead of a wink and smile).

 

Go to drag times and look at Vipers, Vettes and M6s that do 11.6-11.9 1/4 miles and you will see they have trap speeds almost identical to the 11.7 at 119mph of the S. Considering how fast the S is around a very high speed track like the Nurburgring, it doesn't appear to bad over 100 mph.

 

You are correct in the materials used. I was under the assumption that inconel is a trademark to an actual company which to me implies that BMW had to buy enough of it to create the product at such an affordable price. I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Metals_Corporation

 

I was just out and stopped to let a runner cross the road at a bike path x-ing - the car stopped going the opposite direction got a 'thanks' hand. I got the thumbs-up.

Uh... Not sure what the other car was now because it was a bit more forgettable.

 

I could definitely see how the modded m3 makes you the "hero" haha. That's one badass M3 for sure, this is coming from a former 1M owner.

That being said i'd still rather have the 911. Keep us posted on the mods.

 

Horsepower is not the issue. Pounds per horsepower have large effects between about 75 and 130, where 90% of the action is on race tracks. Did you read the OP?

He and I appear to totally agree with the conclusions of the test below.

http://www.motortrend.com/features/p...r/viewall.html

But don't kid yourself, Do you know how many car lengths 3 seconds a lap faster are on a track like Laguna Seca? Ask the guy in the GTR. Or check out Pobst's record for production cars there.

 

Great review my friend,Hope you enjoying the new ride

 

Yeah, I totally agree; the 991S is probably one of the best all-around performers I've ever owned. To call an eleven-second car with 190 MPH capabilities slow is a ridiculously foolish statement.

But I keep this around for those days when I feel the need for that jarring white-knuckled ride down the good ol' 1320. A mid to low ten-second run can still be equivalent to the best of mood elevators.

Plus it's fun hanging with the Mustang crew every now and then; it helps to keep one in shape. I'm known as Carrera Pete here and Cobra Pete there (dual-personality disorder).

 

Thanks! Just ordered my BBS wheels, KW's HAS springs, and the Brombacher x-pipe.

Yup, agreed!

Thank you!

Totally taken out of context, the review was a comparison to a modded monster similar to your mustang, although not quite as powerful.

 

Not really, as I was addressing the comment about the stock 991s being a "slow" car, which, as any seasoned racer would agree, is a totally absurd comment.

I've also owned a couple of M3s, so I'm not a hater by any means. I love many types of cars, and respect anyone who invests the time and money to go through the modding process, which can be just as painful as rewarding at times.

 

I was talking about my initial feeling when driving the 991S off the dealer's lot coming from a 700 horsepower car, it was obviously a "funny" statement. Rest assured, I don't think the 991S is a slow car.

 

When someone says a base 991 is slow, it does not come as a shock to me. When you go test drive a base 991, then walk across the street and test drive a 335, you will call the 991 slow in comparison, if launch you car at the stoplight is all you know or care, and you don't have the habit of revving about 3000 rpm.

Add that to the fact the "slow" car costs twice as much, naturally a lot of people will have stronge opinions on the issue.

We have one member on the other site just achieved 7:40 Ring time with his base 991, a 335i cannot even come close to such time. All things are relative.

 

I define "fast" as confidently knowing that another car can be viewed in the rear view mirror. If one examines a long list of competing cars in the price range ( even other Porsches) do you have that confidence ? Or do you find yourself wondering ?

Lets not even discuss the big cars who might leave one guessing like M5, M6. Panameratt ,Cayennett . CTS V , AMG , etc --because after alll they are a different type of vehicle . Lets not even discuss the smaller cars like the GtR , Zr1 .. because they are not a Porsche .
Lets just say --it's a big list and many years ago it used to be less .

Lets just talk about the 911 -- and equate it to "fast" .
Ummm . why do you think Porsche charges an extra 50K (and gets it) for a Turbo S ? "Foolish" me . I just don't know the answer . Could it be that it's faster ?

Perhaps the word "slow" could have been better stated . I merely chose that word by default .

I happen to really like the 991 S but is it number 1 at anything ? Yes . It's the most versatile 911 .But is not the fastest 120K car , nor even the fastest 911.

 

This is a straw man argument . The base 991 is an (approx) $100,000.00 car (as you stated) . The fact that a 1/2 priced 50K BMW sedan can do anything even distortedly and remotely close in any peformance category only sheds a bit of praise for the 335 .