The only thing I said was that I would call all my family from Italy to come and convince him...
Just lied about the fact that they all come from Sicily though... LOL!

Just kidding of course... If that would work I would do it over and over again!

 

I think yes. Sorry if I implied in any way that I am not enjoying my 991C2S every bit as much and in many ways more than the fantastic "08 Boxter S RS-60 that I had. That does not diminish the Boxter experience- in the right places it is as good as it gets.

If I still wanted a roadster I would not hesitate to get a Boxter S. Mine was an interlude in a line of 911s that dated to 1974. I thought I would never come back. Then I drove a 991 the day they launched them here. Two weeks later I was back. For me, the 991 is by far and in so many dimensions the best 911 to date. It works as a DD, as a long range tourer, and as a sports car on road and track. The "no torque" argument is just silly given quarter mile times in the high 11s and the abilities of PDK to keep the engine on the boil. Sure it it not a turbo, but an S is so totally more powerful than a Boxter that it is a wholly different experience. Both the 981 and 991 platforms are a huge step forward in real performance (without the stability compromises that need for "involvement"). Anyone into Porsches should not miss the 991 experience.

 

I did test PDK in multiple new cars before buying a manual 997 C2S. I also have a lot of seat time with pure race transmissions - both sequentials and H-patterns.
PDK isn't there yet - close, but not yet. For someone who really isn't skilled with shifting, or who will spend most of their time in traffic, it's probably the better choice, but it still has some minor flaws.
I would love to get some time with the PDK-S...

 

Ditch the Audi in favor of a Macan !

 

I appreciate your reply FT.
FYI, a few years ago I picked up a 997.2 C4S with pdk. This was when Porsche first introduced pdk. All my previous 911's were manuals and I think it was the novelty factor of the PDK that had my buy in. It very soon wore off and I ended up really disliking it and I sold the car in a couple of months and went to a 997.2 GT3. I thought I would never again get a 911 with pdk..... I was wrong! The PDK in the 991 is so much better and whether it's due to better engineering or software, the difference with its predecessor is like night and day. After living with it for over a year I remain super happy with it and look forward to getting my GT3 with it.

 

I was reminded of this thread when I read an email from one of my old friends - my undergraduate philosophy professor. He was bemoaning the fact of improvements to photo processing. He commented that one no longer has to dodge and burn in images when processing exposures on an enlarger. He attached some incredible landscape photos to that email that were automatically enhanced by photo software. I responded to his email saying that he can now concentrate on taking the photo and the burden of improving it post exposure has been removed

This may be analogous to the PDK manual debate. Or not.

 

How arrogant and insulting! I've been driving a manual since 1963 and am very skilled and proficient but decided to buy the PDK after reading so much about how brilliant it is. It is everything I read and more. I don't regret making the choice. And, after driving 7-speed manual-equipped 991S's as well as PDK-equipped 991S's on the track a few weeks ago, I am even more sold on the PDK.

 

i want a macan

 

I had that in mind at first, but I think I would need to wait at least a year or maybe 2 before I can order a Macan. Porsche doesn't have all the options available yet and I don't want a car that can't be specced the way I want it to. Besides that I am still hoping they will come with a more powerful diesel (like the SQ5).
I also don't know if I like the design as much as I hoped I would. I loved it when I saw it in person last week at the L.A. Auto show, but the more I see it, the less I like it... Which is strange for a Porsche, because mostly it's the other way around....

I think the next gen Q5 is more a car I like designwise, so in the meantime I'm going for a nice and comfy A6 Avant BiTDI with 313hp, with massage seats, a nicer interior, a way better multimedia system, a very nice Bang & Olufsen audio system and all the other stuff Porsche doesn't even offer, for a pricetag which is 15000 swiss francs cheaper than a Macan Turbo I specced. Ouch Porsche!

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Completely agree!!

PDK and Manual both are great and also nice to drive, but the PDK just has something extra, a manual never can offer...

Suzy991 (iOS app)

 

How much wheel-to-wheel racing have you done? How many track records do you hold? Have you ever driven a true racing sequential?

Sorry, but in comparison to REAL competition transmissions, the PDK ain't so great - and not worth the price Porsche is charging for it. It's certainly better than any other production auto I've gotten to drive, but it's still not there yet.

Yes. It offers delayed response, clunky stops, and lugging from a standing start, all of which can be avoided with a properly driven three-pedal manual.

Lets face it - the vast majority of Porsche buyers aren't actually competing in their cars, so that extra 0.2 sec of 0-60 time is only for bragging rights when racing on a barstool (or Internet forum). You may call it "arrogant", but I find the "PDK rules uber alles" posts from people who have never actually run a car anywhere near its limits amusing at best.

 

Complete Bull****....

90% of Porsche's customers don't race and rarely drive on a track.

Of course is the PDK is not great compared to REAL competition transmissions when you are driving 9 or 10/10th. No transmission in a road car will ever be that good. You are comparing apples and oranges. A race transmission doesn't last very long compared to a PDK or a old fashioned manual, so in that aspect, a race transmission is crap.

We're talking road cars here. If you wanna talk race cars, start a new thread...

Suzy991 (iOS app)

 

Interesting that people that have voted in the poll on this thread are 4-1 saying that there has been enough debate on the manual vs PDK debate, yet we are on page 4, almost 5, of another PDK vs manual debate.

 

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Except I'm guessing it isn't 90% that don't race but 99%... At least out of the forum..

And I question the authenticity of many of the claimed racing experts as I suspect those as acclaimed as they say they are would, have little interest in spending time convincing others of their prowess... On the internet no one knows you are a dog...

 

I think you should change your forum settings... i'm only on page 2.

It's a debate without an end. Both transmissions are equally good and people just have different preferences. I prefer a PDK, but I also like a manual.

But when people start comparing them to race transmissions, I can't help start questioning human intelligence... Just saying....

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