Originally Posted by scatkins

As I mentioned I don't expect my opinion to be widespread since panameras make up a large pcr of sales.. Just to expressly an opinion which is admittedly purest.. And why I have always been attracted to the porsch brand..

But then again minivans sell huge as well so debating taste is a waste of time.. I don't really care what the mass market likes this I'm not interested in debating.. It goes nowhere..

arrogant and presumptuous on your part however because you assume a lot.. Not my first Porsche, and I'owned m5s and driven amg I just find the BMW, Mercedes . and others very temporal.. They are rarely revered other than when new.. They don't have any soul that lasts other than the guy who owned one..

That said I find the panameras an attractive car just in the way I find an Audi attractive but it doesn't capture my imagination in any way because it is based on. Demographics and built on the back of another car. Just like a sitcom spin off..

Originally Posted by scatkins

As I mentioned I don't expect my opinion to be widespread since panameras make up a large pcr of sales.. Just to expressly an opinion which is admittedly purest.. And why I have always been attracted to the porsch brand..

But then again minivans sell huge as well so debating taste is a waste of time.. I don't really care what the mass market likes this I'm not interested in debating.. It goes nowhere..

arrogant and presumptuous on your part however because you assume a lot.. Not my first Porsche, and I'owned m5s and driven amg I just find the BMW, Mercedes . and others very temporal.. They are rarely revered other than when new.. They don't have any soul that lasts other than the guy who owned one..

That said I find the panameras an attractive car just in the way I find an Audi attractive but it doesn't capture my imagination in any way because it is based on. Demographics and built on the back of another car. Just like a sitcom spin off..

Originally Posted by scatkins

As I mentioned I don't expect my opinion to be widespread since panameras make up a large pcr of sales.. Just to expressly an opinion which is admittedly purest.. And why I have always been attracted to the porsch brand.. But then again minivans sell huge as well so debating taste is a waste of time.. I don't really care what the mass market likes this I'm not interested in debating.. It goes nowhere.. arrogant and presumptuous on your part however because you assume a lot.. Not my first Porsche, and I'owned m5s and driven amg I just find the BMW, Mercedes . and others very temporal.. They are rarely revered other than when new.. They don't have any soul that lasts other than the guy who owned one.. That said I find the panameras an attractive car just in the way I find an Audi attractive but it doesn't capture my imagination in any way because it is based on. Demographics and built on the back of another car. Just like a sitcom spin off..

Originally Posted by neuneleven

"arrogant and presumptuous on your part however because you assume a lot.. "

Thanks for your kind words... there was no assumption you'd never driven or owned a Porsche, it does not say so anywhere in the post. You are therefore likely the one making the assumption that I assume you have never driven one.... The text recommends you drive a GTS or TT... Keep an open mind. it's just a toy/car.

Originally Posted by tanman

Comparing the Panamera to a minivan is nonsensical. It's similar to comparing a 911 to a Beetle. To say a 911 purist would prefer the Panamera doesn't exist is arrogant in a big way since you are speaking for a big cross section of tastes and levels of fanaticism. I have 911s and also a Panamera and enjoy it for what it is, luckily Porsche designed it to outperform most minivans. I'm glad to hear M5 and AMG are highlights of you're driving resume. Laughable.

Originally Posted by JohnM

Yeah, that's what I meant!
They sent a rep down to the dealer and offered the assistance of PNA. It gave me a good feeling! It is good to have Porsche in on it. If it turns out that it really can't be solved, PNA will be there for you.

The funny thing is that some small problem, like a loose intake or something else, could be really serious sounding. Once they find the bolt, the car is like new.

When I went to pick up my E92M3, the sales manager actually said that he "smelled burnt-clutch" odor. He refused to give me the car until they found out what was wrong. It turned out that "back at the Port", they had the clutch freeze and it burnt out. (Or someone did some doughnuts! LOL!)
Anyway, I get the car and it has an INSANE rattle in the dash. There was also a loud "clunk" in the rear that sounded like the exhaust and diff was falling off. I videoed it, and put it on a message board. A BMWNA rep who watches the Boards, contacted me and said to bring it to the dealer ASAP!
When they got it, it turned out that when they fixed the clutch, they neglected to re-tighten the entire intake manifold. It was banging against the firewall. They also did not re-install several exhaust parts and the hangers were finger-tight. There were a hundred other little things wrong too! Anyway, the dealer was like, "give us 2 days, and you will be super-happy".
Yep, 2 days later, car is like-new. Not a single problem in the 18 months since. But, you could not have convinced me that all would be fixed..ever.
Sorry for the long story, but the gist of it is, "it could be just a few bolts or a clip"
All they have to do is find it!

Originally Posted by Zelig

JohnM,

You nailed it. I needed the Porsche Field Tech's help and the fixes were minor stuff to resolve. Rear end noise was a rock caught in one of the suspension arms. Dealer replaced a strut and then realized it didn't fix the issue. Then they found the rock that was burnished down from rubbing against the suspension. Took it out and bingo... no more sound.

The other noise I had was an odd whistling when you came into gear. It was a defective oil/air separator. Porsche had other reports of this that the Field Tech knew about.

Took about two weeks in the shop this time but it was worth the wait. Riding home gave me that new car feeling again. What a great car!!!

Thanks again,

Zelig