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Old Jan 12, 2014 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Erunanethiel
The reasın it turned intı drifting thread is AWD systems comes to their owns when cards starts to drift/slide.
I see you have a c4s, can you please tell me, that if the car starts to oversteer ON throttle, how long does it wait to send power to the front wheels?

Thanks for your reply, this is a brilliant forum
Its not that simple.
The car monitors so many things and starts so send power where it needs, I have never seen it send more then 50% to the front whether its in rain, on snow, or at the track. In fact at the track, it rarely sends power to the front wheels I have noticed, especially at the faster tracks I have been to .

If you turn the traction control off, turn you wheel and mash the throttle…you will spin and swap ends, especially if the surface is a little damp. The car still has its inertia all from the rear since its rear engined.
 
Old Jan 12, 2014 | 03:27 PM
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Watch this video. No problem getting the tail out.
 
Old Jan 12, 2014 | 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by STALKER
Its not that simple.
The car monitors so many things and starts so send power where it needs, I have never seen it send more then 50% to the front whether its in rain, on snow, or at the track. In fact at the track, it rarely sends power to the front wheels I have noticed, especially at the faster tracks I have been to .

If you turn the traction control off, turn you wheel and mash the throttle…you will spin and swap ends, especially if the surface is a little damp. The car still has its inertia all from the rear since its rear engined.
Do you know an article or something that I can learn what kind of things it monitors or if you know can you tell me please?
 
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Originally Posted by Erunanethiel
Do you know an article or something that I can learn what kind of things it monitors or if you know can you tell me please?
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...ra-4s/#special

I think the answers to your questions are at the site above. If you watch all the segments, beyond the excellent scenery, music and marketing propaganda, there are detailed descriptions of all of the technology that is unique to Porsche all wheel drive and how it works with Porsche suspension tech (PTV, PTV+, PDCC. etc), the sensors, the suspension control system mappings, etc etc (about 3 or 4 video segments in the mechanical segments start).

If you want to know how the C4S drifts in the hands of a competent driver, google the Motor Trend best drivers car of 2013 and listen to Randy Pobst.
 

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Originally Posted by chuckbdc
http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/91...ra-4s/#special

I think the answers to your questions are at the site above. If you watch all the segments, beyond the excellent scenery, music and marketing propaganda, there are detailed descriptions of all of the technology that is unique to Porsche all wheel drive and how it works with Porsche suspension tech (PTV, PTV+, PDCC. etc), the sensors, the suspension control system mappings, etc etc (about 3 or 4 video segments in the mechanical segments start).

If you want to know how the C4S drifts in the hands of a competent driver, google the Motor Trend best drivers car of 2013 and listen to Randy Pobst.
I looked and it says "The system gathers intelligence from sensors that monitor the rotational speeds of all four wheels, the vehicle’s lateral and longitudinal acceleration, and the steering angle." I think the trick part might be the "steering angle". I wonder if it doesn't send power to the front tires when you are counter steering.

I watch that video, he says the car wants to oversteer. But if you watch the vide where they compare C4S agains corvette and F12 Berlinetta, he says you can only do little slides, the car straightens itself up.
 
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Originally Posted by Michael_s
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S | evo REVIEW - YouTube

Watch this video. No problem getting the tail out.
Kicking the tail out, and maintaing the tail kicked-out are two different things. I can kick the tail out even on the clio rs of my friend

Thanks for the video though, I really enjoyed it
 
Old Jan 12, 2014 | 09:37 PM
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I also wonder if the Aventadors awd system is any different
 
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I know very little about drifting, and I’m not trying to be a jerk. But, if drifting is important to you, and you live in Arizona, why are you interested in the C4?
 
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Originally Posted by Airdoc
I know very little about drifting, and I’m not trying to be a jerk. But, if drifting is important to you, and you live in Arizona, why are you interested in the C4?
Wide body is the main reason.

If somebody knows further about the topic, I really would like to hear.
 
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Originally Posted by Erunanethiel
Wide body is the main reason. If somebody knows further about the topic, I really would like to hear.
You can get wide body with rear wheel drive And S engine if you buy the 50th anniversary edition.
 
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Originally Posted by stealth.pilot
You can get wide body with rear wheel drive And S engine if you buy the 50th anniversary edition.
Well, if I would pay that much, I would get the GT3
 
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Mmmmm, 991 is not really a driftcar. Better look at then new C7 Z06 for that !
 
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Originally Posted by Erunanethiel
Kicking the tail out, and maintaing the tail kicked-out are two different things. I can kick the tail out even on the clio rs of my friend

Thanks for the video though, I really enjoyed it
Why would I want to maintain the tail out? I picked up my C4S last March and have 6000 miles on the car. Even though it's winter, it was 55 degrees here yesterday and drove the car all day. It's an amazing machine and I drive it as much as I can. It is a rear biased AWD system. Seems like you might need to decide a) do you get the 4 for the looks/light bar or b) get the 2 so you can kick the tail out more (which is much easier with the engine in front).

Drive both and decide for yourself if my suggestion. Either way you're making a good decision.
 
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Mmmmm, 991 is not really a driftcar. Better look at then new C7 Z06 for that !
Yes, but the corvette's "reputation" is nowhere near of 911
 
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Originally Posted by Michael_s
Why would I want to maintain the tail out? I picked up my C4S last March and have 6000 miles on the car. Even though it's winter, it was 55 degrees here yesterday and drove the car all day. It's an amazing machine and I drive it as much as I can. It is a rear biased AWD system. Seems like you might need to decide a) do you get the 4 for the looks/light bar or b) get the 2 so you can kick the tail out more (which is much easier with the engine in front).

Drive both and decide for yourself if my suggestion. Either way you're making a good decision.
Why would you maintain the tail out? Because, hmm, maybe, yes yes I know the word is Fun!!
I think the rear wheel drive also has a better steering feel right?
 


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