Upgrading turbos, staying with GIAC Programming
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Elliot,
Speed Gallery put togehther my low clearance K16/24 hybrid system. They have done several SG Stage 4's with FVD stage 4 software and they like the combination. I asked about a 5 bar FPR and Sam told me it was not needed. I asked again several months later and he said the same thing - just not necessary. I dataloged my car with the Durametric software with your set-up and the AFR's were low 12's at WOT. I think you are fine, but like Suman says...it would be very good to know if you are tracking the car hard. If it's for daily driving and spirited drives, I would be less concerned, as I put 15,000 spirited miles, including 20+ 1/4 mile passes with no problems and my motor still runs strong with 78K on it. FVD Stage 4 software is for the K24/26 race turbos, so I think you have programming designed for a pretty high HP application...IMO, you have a very good ECU/turbo match...about as good as K16/24 gets!
USC - You shoud consider the FVD stage 4 software - don't they (FVD) have a deal now for $1,495.00? If so, I would consider it. My car trapped at over 127 MPH with that combo and ran perfectly.
Speed Gallery put togehther my low clearance K16/24 hybrid system. They have done several SG Stage 4's with FVD stage 4 software and they like the combination. I asked about a 5 bar FPR and Sam told me it was not needed. I asked again several months later and he said the same thing - just not necessary. I dataloged my car with the Durametric software with your set-up and the AFR's were low 12's at WOT. I think you are fine, but like Suman says...it would be very good to know if you are tracking the car hard. If it's for daily driving and spirited drives, I would be less concerned, as I put 15,000 spirited miles, including 20+ 1/4 mile passes with no problems and my motor still runs strong with 78K on it. FVD Stage 4 software is for the K24/26 race turbos, so I think you have programming designed for a pretty high HP application...IMO, you have a very good ECU/turbo match...about as good as K16/24 gets!
USC - You shoud consider the FVD stage 4 software - don't they (FVD) have a deal now for $1,495.00? If so, I would consider it. My car trapped at over 127 MPH with that combo and ran perfectly.
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Elliot,
Speed Gallery put togehther my low clearance K16/24 hybrid system. They have done several SG Stage 4's with FVD stage 4 software and they like the combination. I asked about a 5 bar FPR and Sam told me it was not needed. I asked again several months later and he said the same thing - just not necessary. I dataloged my car with the Durametric software with your set-up and the AFR's were low 12's at WOT. I think you are fine, but like Suman says...it would be very good to know if you are tracking the car hard. If it's for daily driving and spirited drives, I would be less concerned, as I put 15,000 spirited miles, including 20+ 1/4 mile passes with no problems and my motor still runs strong with 78K on it. FVD Stage 4 software is for the K24/26 race turbos, so I think you have programming designed for a pretty high HP application...IMO, you have a very good ECU/turbo match...about as good as K16/24 gets!
USC - You shoud consider the FVD stage 4 software - don't they (FVD) have a deal now for $1,495.00? If so, I would consider it. My car trapped at over 127 MPH with that combo and ran perfectly.
Speed Gallery put togehther my low clearance K16/24 hybrid system. They have done several SG Stage 4's with FVD stage 4 software and they like the combination. I asked about a 5 bar FPR and Sam told me it was not needed. I asked again several months later and he said the same thing - just not necessary. I dataloged my car with the Durametric software with your set-up and the AFR's were low 12's at WOT. I think you are fine, but like Suman says...it would be very good to know if you are tracking the car hard. If it's for daily driving and spirited drives, I would be less concerned, as I put 15,000 spirited miles, including 20+ 1/4 mile passes with no problems and my motor still runs strong with 78K on it. FVD Stage 4 software is for the K24/26 race turbos, so I think you have programming designed for a pretty high HP application...IMO, you have a very good ECU/turbo match...about as good as K16/24 gets!
USC - You shoud consider the FVD stage 4 software - don't they (FVD) have a deal now for $1,495.00? If so, I would consider it. My car trapped at over 127 MPH with that combo and ran perfectly.
what values to do you log on the duremetric SW to get the readings for AFR and what are the ideal AFR's
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jags,
I hate to say this but I don't remember - I only used it a few times to check my AFR's, then sold it.
I am told high 11's - low 12's at Wot are a good, safe range to be in...high 12's is borderline (I think), but getting close to the danger area which is anything 13's. I am not an expert on this, so some else may have better information...
I hate to say this but I don't remember - I only used it a few times to check my AFR's, then sold it.
I am told high 11's - low 12's at Wot are a good, safe range to be in...high 12's is borderline (I think), but getting close to the danger area which is anything 13's. I am not an expert on this, so some else may have better information...
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In duremetric, toward the bottom of the actual values list...There are 2 values that are something like "requested lambda" and "actual lambda". Log those along with injector pluse width and rpm for a 2000-6500 rpm pull in 3rd gear. I can help you sort through the data if you are interested.
John-
Have you calculated your injector duty cycle in addition to looking at a/f alone?
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Jags-
In duremetric, toward the bottom of the actual values list...There are 2 values that are something like "requested lambda" and "actual lambda". Log those along with injector pluse width and rpm for a 2000-6500 rpm pull in 3rd gear. I can help you sort through the data if you are interested.
John-
Have you calculated your injector duty cycle in addition to looking at a/f alone?
In duremetric, toward the bottom of the actual values list...There are 2 values that are something like "requested lambda" and "actual lambda". Log those along with injector pluse width and rpm for a 2000-6500 rpm pull in 3rd gear. I can help you sort through the data if you are interested.
John-
Have you calculated your injector duty cycle in addition to looking at a/f alone?
Who do think is the best bang for the buck for someone like me who already spend 3000$ on giac software and wishing to go k16/k24 WITHOUT going any further. I will also need to be able to switch it back to stock for intensive track use... I just found out that "ditching" a total of 6k-7k for programming only is, Imo, ridiculous... (I know, should have gotten hybrids since the beginning...
)Cheers
Bo
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Jags-
In duremetric, toward the bottom of the actual values list...There are 2 values that are something like "requested lambda" and "actual lambda". Log those along with injector pluse width and rpm for a 2000-6500 rpm pull in 3rd gear. I can help you sort through the data if you are interested.
John-
Have you calculated your injector duty cycle in addition to looking at a/f alone?
In duremetric, toward the bottom of the actual values list...There are 2 values that are something like "requested lambda" and "actual lambda". Log those along with injector pluse width and rpm for a 2000-6500 rpm pull in 3rd gear. I can help you sort through the data if you are interested.
John-
Have you calculated your injector duty cycle in addition to looking at a/f alone?
Thanks T
I left you a VM yesterday
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i honestly wish i didn't go GIAC right from the start. I feel that Garret is a little too safe with the tune...
the race file doesn't seem to make a big difference.
i am really thinking about jumping to proto 24/18g
the race file doesn't seem to make a big difference.
i am really thinking about jumping to proto 24/18g
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Yup... you are right, I was just looking to see if someone will name a tuner, since we only heard from Giac and Proto...
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Guys...
Who do think is the best bang for the buck for someone like me who already spend 3000$ on giac software and wishing to go k16/k24 WITHOUT going any further. I will also need to be able to switch it back to stock for intensive track use... I just found out that "ditching" a total of 6k-7k for programming only is, Imo, ridiculous... (I know, should have gotten hybrids since the beginning...)
Cheers
Bo
Who do think is the best bang for the buck for someone like me who already spend 3000$ on giac software and wishing to go k16/k24 WITHOUT going any further. I will also need to be able to switch it back to stock for intensive track use... I just found out that "ditching" a total of 6k-7k for programming only is, Imo, ridiculous... (I know, should have gotten hybrids since the beginning...
)Cheers
Bo
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I had these hybrids and ran them extensively at the track, 1/4 mile and countless 60-130s and it is great performance at a great price.....
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Yes, we have established that GIAC was ok for stock turbos, either K16 or K23. But, the original question was could you use the program with a hybrid turbo, and it seems that it is a No.