ryan i found the video of the Rs and the Challenge Stradale from top gear:


http://www.sleepy-fish.com/other_veh.htm

 

I´m sorry, but the Koeningsegg is a high-speed car designed for the Autobahn which reflects in both its suspension setup and gearing. You´ll never hear the Koenigsegg factory boast about their CC/CCR being a CGT or Enzo killer. And I never said it was a non-performer. I did however say that it´s only mediocre. Why? Oh, let´s see... $400.000+ gets you a car that can´t get away from an SL65 or even a mildly modified SL600, gets outrun by a 550 HP Ruf RTurbo, outcornered and outaccelerated by a Carrera GT, gets out-GT´d (the car was supposed to be a mix of a GT and sports car) by the SL Mercedes and outpriced by just about everything but the Enzo. Not to forget that the Koenigsegg will leave it in the dust on the Autobahn. What it DOES get you is the awe of beautiful girls who will almost scream in awe, when they see you in your brand new "SLK"! THAT, ryan, is mediocre. A car than is supposed to be a GT shouldn´t be uncomfortable on long drives, a sports car is supposed to be fast (while there´s no doubt that it´s fast, it´s slow, compared to comparably priced supercars) and reasonably agile. Again, the car IS fast and agile, but not nearly enough to justify buying it over a 911 Turbo, not to mention the Carrera GT. Mediocre in performance, too generic in looks (the people you try to impress with the SLR won´t really know the difference, while the enthusiasts won´t really care about this overhyped DC creation. I´m sorry if it offends you in some way, but Mercedes had WAY too much say in what the car was to become. And tell me, why do you think Gordon Murray never showed for any of the presentations of the car? Food for thought, isn´t it?

 

i forgot about this site
thanks dude you are the greatest
do you have any more videos from the airfield?

 

The C-GT has already run against the Enzo with I think factory drivers and the C-GT beat it on dry and spanked it in the wet. This run was I believe in Germany and it was to happen again in Italy. Appearantly there is some sort of agreement between Porsche and Ferrari about getting to drive each other's supercar as I understood the article. I don't know which C-GT ran (550 vs 600 hp) and it WAS the production version of the Enzo. Clearly both beautifully performing cars. B/c I am getting old, I forgot where and when I read this. When I saw Sasha M. run the C-GT @ rennsport R II, and spank the older race cars (> 1100 hp) I distinctly recalled reading the Enzo comparison ("...the meeting Ferrari did not want to happen") and thinking it would have been great if the Enzo that drove to the event (and sat in the parking lot) could have been on the track with the C-GT. But to make that fair, someone of Sasha's caliber would have had to drive it.

Does anyone remember the article I'm trying to remember?

 

Will post as soon as I can just work out how to copy from the HD recorder to my laptop! And the original programs are also unfortunately on a machine 100 miles away at the moment, but I'll give it a go at the weekend after they've screened the CGT test

 

Food for thought, isn´t it?

more like a mouth full of bullsh*t
you are comparing GT looks to supercars looks and calling it mediocre , ok then Crash, tell me one GT car that isnt mediocre looking next to a CGT. simply stupid

"Again, the car IS fast and agile, but not nearly enough to justify buying it over a 911 Turbo"
that decision will never cross a slr buyers mind
so i say again bullSh*t

facts are facts the slr is more agile and faster then most every car in the world around one track, if that track is near you then buy it , like i said certain tracks suit certain cars.

bottom line this mediocre GT car beat cars that are supposed to be supercars(meaning best all around performers) on a track which test a cars all around performance

 

It may be designed for the Autobahn, but it's not too happy there! Some of the finest moments on last years Gumball were the endless occasions the Koenigsegg ground to a halt. The guy not only had to have a pickup truck full of mechanics trailing him for the entire rally, but ended up buying a new VW simply to scavenge a couple of replacement parts he needed. Stunning car, but the ultimate triumph of cash over brain cells IMO

 

if you could do it that would be great but dont bother if it becomes a hassle im sure that sleepy-fish site will have it soon enough

 

I know, the guy even took parts from another Koienigsegg

I wasn´t talking about reliabilty here , though, I was thinking more along the lines of performance. Anyway, ryan, I see you´re really a good-tempered and well-manered young man, so I´ll explain it to your confused self one more time.

Nope. I´m not comparing it to the CGT. I´m comparing it to the Mercedes SLK. It´s pretty horrific that a comparison like that can even happen. Anyway, the 996 Turbo is a pretty good GT car and isn´t mediocre looking, even next to a CGT.




You´re absolutely right on target here. It won´t cross the prospective buyer´s mind for even a second, since most of the buyers are people who bought the SLR for the hype created around it. A true enthusiast, ignoring all the hype, will rather opt for a CGT, or a modified 911 Turbo. Yup, that´d be me.


Give me a modified 911 Turbo and some good coil-overs and I´ll show you where your agile SLR stands. The fact is, that it´s a BAD performer for the price and the hype created around it. And that still leaves me with enough money to buy an SL65 and have a GOOD GT car, not some overswollen bastard.

Now which supercar ALL-AROUND performers are you talking about? The only all-around well-performing supercars I know of are made by Porsche, not including the GT3RS which you´re clearly targeting in your statement. With over 600 HP the SLR should be A LOT faster than the GT3 and the 360 CS on the Top Gear track, which has some pretty long straights, but guess what? It isn´t. And the 360 and the GT3 are WAY more fun to drive, as evidenced by CF´s impressions on the Rennteam board. The SLR is certainly TARGETING the supercar niche, but IMO it fails. And one more thing, do you alwys have such a big mouthfull of bad words?

Take care

 

"Think they're running the CGT next week, which should answer the original question fairly conclusively."

someone already posted that the CGT beat the SLR by a full second on Top Gear's test.

btw, despite it's ugliness, i was shocked the (automatic, porky) SLR beat all but the CGT on the Top Gear tests. i think it's a bit of a stretch to say anything negative about it's performance.

 

Its just a shame that they haven't run a GT2 on the same track, would make a very interesting comparison

 

i was targeting the entire list from top gears board.

i have forgotten the reason for our war of words, it doesnt matter because u keep bringing in different factors so there can be no single solution but it was fun
i agree to disagree with you
farewell

 

Oops, gotcha. 1.18.8 vs 1.20.9. Say no more.

 

Same factors, different presentation

Has been fun, take care

 

here we go again, lets make it more fun
same factors? are you crazy?
initially i was speaking only of track performance (which i hope we both agree challenges all of a cars systems in one shot)

then you bring in new factors of autobahn ,what chicks think, cost , and why gordon murray wasnt at the release.

just for the record id rather have a CGT than a slr