996 Turbo / GT2 Turbo discussion on previous model 2000-2005 Porsche 911 Twin Turbo and 911 GT2.

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Old Aug 30, 2003 | 06:26 AM
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I agree with stephen, take the plunge. Why be a fast turbo when you can be the fastest!!!!!!!!!
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Now I do not make a claim to being the "fastest." In light of my car not being the fastest how do you explain your above post?
 

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Fastest or quickest car is not necessarily the most powerful at peak on a dyno either. Factor in " area under the curve " of the HP/TQ plots , unknown aerodynamics of aftermarket aero add ons, drag of upgraded bigger wider heavier tires and brake kits , etc. Heck, given the SAME car and exact driving technique, I will be faster than some of you because I only weigh 140 lbs- it's like some of you are carrying an extra passenger around your gut !
For now, I am fine with a stock motor that I know I can mash the throttle as often as I like w/o worrying about unknown thermal loads on the longevity of the motor and the rest of the drivetrain like driveshafts, diffs, seals and engine compartment heat soak , etc.
 

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Factor in " area under the curve " of the HP/TQ plots
Right on the money! I can't tell you how many guys around here (Atlanta) are only concerned about what their "peak" horsepower/torque is, all for bragging rights ("My car dynos at 390 Hp, yours dynos at 370...I've got the better/faster car"), when in fact the 20-30 Hp they gained from their last mod. shows up on the dyno from 6600-6800 RPM (with a 6800 RPM redline) and not at any other part of the power curve(s). Lots of good that does them.
 
Old Aug 30, 2003 | 08:37 AM
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Heck, given the SAME car and exact driving technique, I will be faster than some of you because I only weigh 140 lbs- it's like some of you are carrying an extra passenger around your gut !
160 and holding.... For every 100 lbs you lose on or in the car that is good for a free .10 of a second...Free cheap HP.
 
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That's why if one is to mod, one should at least get a total package. Different mods ( and brands of mods like exhausts or headers or custom turbos ) will add gains at different rpms so unless the ECU is fine tuned for the sum of them , you leave a lot on the table.
 
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For every 100 lbs you lose on or in the car that is good for a free .10 of a second...Free cheap HP.
I thought the drag racing gouge was 0.10 gain in the quarter for every 200 lbs in weight reduction.
 
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I agree. A much better indicator of a motor's strengh is the average hp/torque over a defined rpm range. Let's say 3500 through 6800 rpm's.
 

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Fastest?????

Call it peotic licsense???? Maybe not the fastest in the country but probably the fastest on his block
 
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Colin,

Do you have the 700 hp Stage V currently available for immediate delivery?
 
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Done is such a relative term. All cars like these are a constant evolution of forward progress in the glorious pursuit of HP.


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Todd,

I am in the process of installing the EVO DV's, EVO short shifter. I already have the unichip and fabspeed exhaust. If I want to go to a stage 4 with the K24's can you tune my unichip or do you recommend that I change over to the GIAC? Obviously cost wise it would be cheaper for me to keep the unichip and retune.

What would the cost be for the K24's and the retuning of my unichip? Or if you recommend switching to GIAC the cost of the K24's and GIAC? Installation cost? You can pm or email me if you want.

Thanks!

ps: I would like to publicly thank Todd and Stephen for being on this board. It is nice to have the actual tuners involved in this forum. Thanks guys for sharing here and for helping us all with our horsepower addiction.

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Originally posted by Dock (Atlanta)
Right on the money! I can't tell you how many guys around here (Atlanta) are only concerned about what their "peak" horsepower/torque is, all for bragging rights ("My car dynos at 390 Hp, yours dynos at 370...I've got the better/faster car"), when in fact the 20-30 Hp they gained from their last mod. shows up on the dyno from 6600-6800 RPM (with a 6800 RPM redline) and not at any other part of the power curve(s). Lots of good that does them.
If what you are after is area under the curve, go for stage 4gt. I can fax you over some dyno charts from my car, overlaid against a 400 rwhp car that EVO dyoe'd recently (about what you'd expect from stage 1 or 2). At every point on the curve, the stage 4gt puts out significantly more power.
 


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