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Old Jul 18, 2008 | 10:00 AM
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I actually just put the Gemballa evo Wing on my car. It's not the one you want but has a more "subdued" look... I think it's all a matter of preference and if you like it and can find one at a good price go for it! If you don't like it you can easily sell it. I've already had some offers on mine.. LOL....
 
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Keep the GT2 wing.
 
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Originally Posted by str8blst
I actually just put the Gemballa evo Wing on my car. It's not the one you want but has a more "subdued" look... I think it's all a matter of preference and if you like it and can find one at a good price go for it! If you don't like it you can easily sell it. I've already had some offers on mine.. LOL....
Can you post some photos? Would love to see some more examples..... if you dont mind me asking where did you get the wing from and how much? You can PM me details if you want.
 
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Difficult to judge from those pictures. The TA parts are always look better in real life than pictures.
 
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i think your car looks good the way it is, just my 2cents
 
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Originally Posted by jags911tt
Current (but now I have a TA rear bumper)
Hey jag, i have been looking for a picture of the tubi large oval tips with a techart rear bumper, but nobody has come through.. Do you have pics of the rear of the car with the TA bumper with tubi tips?

thanks. Your car has always been one of my favorites.
 
Old Jul 19, 2008 | 05:13 AM
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Ok I like, it if you get the front splitter also and the entire car has more downforce.
If it was wind tunnel tested and car handles better at speed, you know the form follows function thing.
If it is just for looks and has bad aerodynamics it may actually upset the car.
But the GT2 wing is only good aerodynamically if teed up to the GT2 front end to ensure that the cars aerodynamics are as Porsche intended. Pretty sure that most other body kits do not get tunnel tested the way Porsche does all their cars. Thats why even though I am changing to Techart front and rear I am also keeping the original GT2 body parts just in case I really notice difference in handling at high speed...
 
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Originally Posted by Harold
But the GT2 wing is only good aerodynamically if teed up to the GT2 front end to ensure that the cars aerodynamics are as Porsche intended. Pretty sure that most other body kits do not get tunnel tested the way Porsche does all their cars. Thats why even though I am changing to Techart front and rear I am also keeping the original GT2 body parts just in case I really notice difference in handling at high speed...
I'm going to have to disagree on that one.....the gt2 wing might be "more effective" when combined with the OEM Gt2 front bumper, but i'm sure that it is still functional regardless of the front bumper used....
 
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You have a totally awesome rear wing right now. The one you're considering is not really bad looking to me--it's just too stylized. It looks like a piece of post-modern art that you'd hang on the wall (or hide somewhere else). It's just too over the top & would actually detract from how your car currently looks. The wing you have now is just right. jaj
 
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I'm going to have to disagree on that one.....the gt2 wing might be "more effective" when combined with the OEM Gt2 front bumper, but i'm sure that it is still functional regardless of the front bumper used....
996TT has almost neutral net lift front to rear. The GT2 rear with a TT front will give imbalanced lift front to rear. There is another thread talking exactly about this.
 
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Originally Posted by Harold
996TT has almost neutral net lift front to rear. The GT2 rear with a TT front will give imbalanced lift front to rear. There is another thread talking exactly about this.
"Imbalanced lift front to rear?" youll have to explain that to me... IMO, any increased negative lift or "downforce" will be helpful even if it is "imbalanced" front to rear. While I agree that the gt2 front will give added negative lift in combination with the gt2 wing when compared to the standard turbo front, the point is that the gt2 wing is an improvement... jsut my $0.02
 
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jag, got any pics of the tubi oval tips with the techart rear yet? Ive been dying to see how that looks! YOu will be my hero if you can post that for me!
 
Old Jul 20, 2008 | 01:37 AM
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"Imbalanced lift front to rear?" youll have to explain that to me... IMO, any increased negative lift or "downforce" will be helpful even if it is "imbalanced" front to rear. While I agree that the gt2 front will give added negative lift in combination with the gt2 wing when compared to the standard turbo front, the point is that the gt2 wing is an improvement... jsut my $0.02
As far as I understand it, additional downforce to rear without associated downforce on the front could provide a net potential positive lift upfront in an extreme situation. Net effect. your rear may be glued to the track but at high speed your front end could (of course in the extreme) lift off and you literally do a somersault in the air....

The 996GT2 front end was claimed to reduce lift up front compared to a 996TT front end by 25%. Rear wing was claimed to reduce lift by 40% over the standard TT wing. My concern would come at high speed where the reduced lift at the rear may not be compensated up front sufficiently hence creating a very light feeling front end.

At a minimum at high speed your front end gets too light and your weighty steering that you are used to becomes very light and twitchy. Not a good thing in my opinion especially on a car that already has most of its weight up rear. I truly believe that Porsche are one of the guys that has done enough wind tunnel time to ensure that the aerodynamics are spot on. Techart, Gemballa etc rely far more on visual attributes than downright aerodynamic performance from what I understand. Not a bad thing if thats what interests you but at least we should know what we are messing with. I am going down the visual route and hence am mindful that the cars overall handling may be affected for high speed driving... if it is too much then my intention will be to go back to the GT2 kit- probably one of the aerodynamic experts could chime in if need be. Anyway, think its a bit off topic.. I like the Gemballa tail and the GT2, but for pure aesthetics I love the Techart ;P
 

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Originally Posted by Harold
As far as I understand it, additional downforce to rear without associated downforce on the front could provide a net potential positive lift upfront in an extreme situation. Net effect. your rear may be glued to the track but at high speed your front end could (of course in the extreme) lift off and you literally do a somersault in the air....

The 996GT2 front end was claimed to reduce lift up front compared to a 996TT front end by 25%. Rear wing was claimed to reduce lift by 40% over the standard TT wing. My concern would come at high speed where the reduced lift at the rear may not be compensated up front sufficiently hence creating a very light feeling front end.

At a minimum at high speed your front end gets too light and your weighty steering that you are used to becomes very light and twitchy. Not a good thing in my opinion especially on a car that already has most of its weight up rear. I truly believe that Porsche are one of the guys that has done enough wind tunnel time to ensure that the aerodynamics are spot on. Techart, Gemballa etc rely far more on visual attributes than downright aerodynamic performance from what I understand. Not a bad thing if thats what interests you but at least we should know what we are messing with. I am going down the visual route and hence am mindful that the cars overall handling may be affected for high speed driving... if it is too much then my intention will be to go back to the GT2 kit- probably one of the aerodynamic experts could chime in if need be. Anyway, think its a bit off topic.. I like the Gemballa tail and the GT2, but for pure aesthetics I love the Techart ;P
Thanks for the explanation, harold. It makes sense, but i would think this applies to only the most extreme situations and probably mostly involves very light race cars with extreme amounts of downforce and light vehicle weights. Either way, point taken. I like the gemballa wing, although, I far prefer the techart additions. Sometimes, the gemballa stuff looks very bulky (especially the rear) to me.

P.S. jag, im still waiting for current pics of the techart rear bumper with tubi oval tips AHHAHA
 
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